Interviews with Iraqi Guerrilla Fighters
An Iraqi who said he was a resistance fighter was interviewed in a cemetery in Hawija Thursday. He said his unit numbered about 15 guerrillas.
It was hard to pin down any single motive for the fighter here, who said he served in the Iraqi Army for six years, ending in 1998, and who gave the nickname "Fighter for the Sake of God." In compact and articulate answers, the man seemed a fanatic neither for God nor for Mr. Hussein.
"We are not fighting for Saddam," he said. "We are fighting for freedom and because the Americans are Jews. The Governing Council," he said, referring to the body of Iraqis appointed by the Americans, "is a bunch of looters and criminals and mercenaries. We cannot expect that stability in this country will ever come from them."
"The principle is based on religion and tribal loyalties," he added. "The religious principle is that we cannot accept to live with infidels. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be on him, said, `Hit the infidels wherever you find them.' We are also a tribal people. We cannot allow strangers to rule over us."
Full: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/05/international/middleeast/05IRAQ.html?p...
Interview with anti-U.S. Iraqi cell:
"If the Americans leave and Saddam comes back, we will fight him too.
Maybe if he were elected we'd allow it. But no one in Iraq wants Saddam
back. He turned into a thief and a murderer who made too many mistakes.
We don't want Saddam, but American cannot occupy us any longer."
Full: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031203-115217-9537r
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New Iraqi CP Appeal
Appeal of the ICP (cadre) to fraternal Communist Parties
on the occasion of the Rome demo for the Iraqi resistance, 13 Dec, 2003
Americans! You are going to be leaving Iraq either carrying coffins or in them! Then hurry out and save your soldiers from certain death!
Iraqi Resistance Fighters! Kill the occupiers wherever you find them!
A free homeland and a happy people!
Workers of the world and oppressed people, unite!
Communists of the world! Rise up! The time has come!
An appeal to fraternal and friendly Communist Parties
Before everything else, we wish to congratulate ourselves and congratulate you over the heroic Iraqi national resistance activity against the treacherous Anglo-American occupation. With that we bring you the certain promise of the national resistance that it will crush the occupation and liberate Iraq!
Full: http://www.antiimperialista.com/en/view.shtml?category=9&id=1070566670&k...
New Iraqi CP appeal
Appeal of then ICP (cadre) to fraternal Communist Parties
on the occasion of the Rome demo for the Iraqi resistance, 13 Dec, 2003
Americans! You are going to be leaving Iraq either carrying coffins or in them! Then hurry out and save your soldiers from certain death!
Iraqi Resistance Fighters! Kill the occupiers wherever you find them!
A free homeland and a happy people!
Workers of the world and oppressed people, unite!
Communists of the world! Rise up! The time has come!
An appeal to fraternal and friendly Communist Parties
Before everything else, we wish to congratulate ourselves and congratulate you over the heroic Iraqi national resistance activity against the treacherous Anglo-American occupation. With that we bring you the certain promise of the national resistance that it will crush the occupation and liberate Iraq!
http://www.antiimperialista.com/en/view.shtml?category=9&id=1070566670&k...
Yuck, yuck, yuck.
Yet another example of support for Islamofascist terrorist scum on Indymedia. How disgusting. The people who posted this propaganda article, or the first comment are sick to the bone, and I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
If others reading this don't think this sort of thing is disgusting, they really have a complete lack of morals (and brains).
Yuck yuck,
whats now boring is your baaaalantant antagonism for frame up purposes. Saddam, Osama, and Bush are all laughing thier arses off! at the likes of all of us.
specially you the puppet holmesy.
NY Times
"Yet another example of support for Islamofascist terrorist scum on Indymedia. How disgusting. The people who posted this propaganda article, or the first comment are sick to the bone, and I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire"
- The article is from the New York Times, are you going to write to them as well and spill you brainless venom there.
Holmsey
I don't think Paul Holmes can possibly be real, this is the second time that he has found himself to the right of the NY Times.
It takes a hell of a lot of determination to never stray from your original viewpoint.
Paul, to help us understand could you give us a mini biography that might explain your current mindset. ie, childhood bullying, sadistic mother, failed career, any a-moral actions that you are currently in denial about? There's got to be something behind the moralistic approach to your above posting.
Help us out please
Aaron
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Most people, except you extremist lefty Saddam-huggers, are to the right of the NY Times, Aaron, when it comes to Iraq. The NY Times has been quite significantly anti-war (as have pretty much all news outlets, with a couple of exceptions).
John, I have written to the New York Times, condemning the author first for interviewing such a loathsome terrorist, instead of helping the army to capture him, and for not condemning the scumbag in the slightest, and for trying to suggest he's not an Islamic extremist when the terrorist clearly says himself that he is. I'm sure you will be also, presuming you have any sense of right and wrong.
Aaron, lucky you, life must be so much easier when you have no morals.
One,,
mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.
That's right dk
And one man's rapist is another man's freedom fighter too. So I guess you condone rape now, dk.
more,,
wrong guesses. Answer Arrons very good question Mr America, (Paul Holmes),, give us a little of your one eyed background.
dk
The statement that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter is a total cop out.
A freedom fighter would only choose military targets, a terrorist will hit civilian targets in order to instill fear in the local population.
The local population then doubts the governments ability to protect them and thus over time people have no confidence.
Local governments in turn then have to resort to draconian laws in order to try and subdue terrorist activity but this also has a huge impact on the civilian population who lose many freedoms thus causing discent.
So,,
"ED" that is an opinion.
FYI,, There is in fact a world war on. I am siding with anyone against the United States of Isreal and thier Tobacco conglomerate, the "Crown of England".
(only because I tell right from wrong tho)
Good grief
ED: you wrote,
"A freedom fighter would only choose military targets, a terrorist will hit civilian targets in order to instill fear in the local population."
That would make the US army a terrorist organisation then since they are deliberately targeting Iraqi civilian populations to scare them into behaving properly under their 'Iron Hammer' plan.
Holmes show
Is Paul Holmes some kind of PR 'front'?
It's very common for people on the 'left' to be well versed in what 'leftist' media has to say about an issue because active searching is the only way that we can find this stuff out. Paul Holmes is the first person we've seen who has a similar 'resource' level of 'rightist' literature. Typically people on the right are informed by mainstream media which doesn't really come with references. ED is a good example of what I mean. And typically the only people on the right who have access to 'rightist' resources are people being paid to find or create them.
Paul Holmes also appears to be following the strategy of 'tell a big lie often enough and people will believe it'. He has not shifted his position or made the slightest concession on ANY of his comments to date. On the other hand, the rest of us have agreed at various times that some of our comments were not well thought out or well explained. This is more in keeping with human nature. His approach is more in keeping with a politician trying to deny something - stick to the story no matter what.
Taking the moral high-ground is another typical approach as is repeating 'sound-bite' style slurs on people's character. His often refers to other posts as being from 'Saddam-Huggers' despite everyone going to great lengths to explain that they think Saddam is as evil as anyone else out there. The casual reader is far more likely to remember the slur 'Saddam-Hugger' than the many varied comments that people think that both Saddam and GWB are equally evil - this is something that PR people know very well.
IS Paul Holmes a PR construct? I really don't know. One thing is for sure though, if he is real and his posting style is genuiniely representative of his personality then I pity the poor sods who have to live with him on a daily basis.
dk. Is it time to get DC back to do a 'Brian Smaller' on him?
BTW I hate using the words 'left' and 'right' but they are in such common usage that it's a bit hard to avoid them. They also have that nice 'sound bite' simplicity about them. If I were trying to be more accurate I would use the terms; Views of those with vested interests and views of those with no vested interests
Aaron
Civilian Targets
The US military are not purposefully hitting civilian targets, but due to the nature of terrorism where the cowardly terrorists hide amongst the civilian population in order to get you liberals on side when casualties occur.
Before you go off about being ill infromed.
Have you ever fought an urban gorilla war?
Have you studied terrorist tactics and techniques?
Do you know you are considered an infidell by these people due to your ethnicity?
dk you stated
FYI,, There is in fact a world war on. I am siding with anyone against the United States of Isreal and thier Tobacco conglomerate, the "Crown of England".
This just shows your opinion is not an informed one but one of bias. No matter who is right or wrong you will only see and hear what you want.
Time for you sandle wearers to get real.
Choice!!
Idea!! Far too long have "their" labels been pasted on others,, there shall be a new term, "vested" or non vested (pro earth/common sense). Arron you've done it again! DC gave up on AIM becuse of the spying and CENSORSHIP unDOW the guise of "moderation". to which I experience any time I point out certain behavioural charictaristics of a certain POISON. I'll be nice so they don't pull this (we hope). since I'm NOT vested and all.
:>
Ed
Dude, you really sound like you just repeat verbatim everythign the US military has to say. Personally, if I was the guy deciding whether or not to blow up civilian areas to get possible bad guys I wouldn't do it. It's because I have a conscience and set my limit of collateral deaths at ZERO. Of course since I have a conscience, I would never be in the situation where I had to kill people who didn't like me occupying their homeland (which I had inavded because the military dictator I had previoulsy installed wasn't behaving properly anymore).
It's the final arguement bro; How many deaths is too many deaths?
I've given you my answer, what's yours.
Aaron
You ask how many deaths is to many deaths?
That is not a question that can be answered.
Do you have another solution to combating terrorism?
If so I would like to hear it.
To date I have not seen one viable alternative to the use of force in combating terrorism on this or any other site.
It is easy to state that war is wrong but come up with an alternative workable solution then.
Blaring obvious,,
"Do you have another solution to combating terrorism? "
Ya,, White Collar Law and Order. (lack of being the source of terrorism)
Aaron is talking out of his posterior
>It's because I have a conscience and set my limit of collateral deaths at ZERO.
This is a fucking dumb statement. There is no question that the war saved the lives of more Iraqis than it took.
During the 30-odd years he was in power, Saddam Hussein murdered at least 300,000 of his own people. These are the ones we are finding in mass graves in Iraq. Another 300,000
NOW we know,,
"Paul Holmes" is a phony,, if such mass graves existed the jewish run news media would be running them down our throats hourly. Fact is they don't, any more than these murdered millions. If USA did NOT stop Basra uprising after 1st phony war there would be no Saddam, but Paul knows this, as sure as his paycheck is in greenbacks.
Got any Oil paul? for sale cheap?
Oh dear...
dk, that tinfoil hat is obviously on too tightly for you to think straight.
See the pictures of the mass graves yourself, and stop denying reality:
http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/
I knew,,
you'd post a link to some Iranian mass graves. You have been fooled by amerikas mass media, or are employed to keep the fooling up, either way, former USA Military don't deserve Paul Holmes's snarky comments or tin foil hats. They deserve a clean gov't that is worth fighting for and GWBush aint it.
Paul Holmes is Lying
I have never seen these figures anywhere Paul, are you making stuff up again?
Even if what you say is true, Your numbers are still less than the number of people who died of the UN/US sanctions during the ninties - I'll leave you to do the maths on that one to work out the month by month comparison.
And Even if the above weren't relevant to the comparison debate you have started, what about the fact that for most of Saddam's time in power the US was financially supporting him - meaning that they are partially responsible for those deaths too.
AND Even if none of the above were relevant if I would still look for alternatives to the very violent way that the US has 'saved' Iraq. With all the power of human creativity you'd think they could have come up with a btter way than using bombs that kill or injure anything within a one kilometer radius and you'd think they'd have tried a little harder not to destroy so much of the infrastructure of the country.
BTW the reason you think the war was more bloodless than others is because the Iraqis offered almost no resistance. BUt also note that the war is not over yet, to date there have been more US army casualties than there were in the first 3 years of the Vietnam War. - Perhaps you need to brush upon your military history Paul
Re: Interviews with Iraqi Guerrilla Fighters
The Iraqi resistance should be supported by all who are left and progressive