National Front demonstration in Wellington

I see that this scum have taken to holding surprise demonstrations in order to try and avoid the beating we dealt them this time last year. And I thought that Nick Miller had bail conditions that stopped him from showing his ugly face south of the Paremata roundabout. Anyone know if he will be going to jail or what the deal was with his court case?

or can you not.. No a good idea for S.C. reasons.

It's not a game.

While i hate the way theses people think and realise that we have to be out there to confront and resist on behalf of basically all peoples i really think it could be done different. I do not want to fight, so therefor i am not going to threaten violence when threats come at me i brush them off cause for a start who am i NF?? and other than that there was a time when a certian member of the NF was going to kill me, and he knew me but i am still walking still breathing.

By the way the NF got a bad wrap in the TV coverage but the balaclava clad faces went down not to bad.

actually there was round 40 of us and more like 15 nazis - unless you were counting the cops?

" by Greg Pason
antifa (nospam) onepeoplesproject.com (unverified) 23 Oct 2005
NAZI PIECES OF FILTH

WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN LIKE GODDAM INSECTS

DEATH TO WHITE RACISTS"

thats nice Greg, what about black racists, I don't see a single protester here: Dr. Kamau Kambon calls for the extermination of white people, funny about that, eh Greg?.

Fuck this shiite.

I suggest you blur out the photos of the NF or there will be legal action.

The fact of the matter is that after demonstrations like this there is no way they can gain any form of political legitimacy, the public will generally interpret it as just a 'neo-nazi skinhead rally', it's also a complete paradox to see them flying the New Zealand flag whilst adorned in memorabilia of the 'Third Reich'.

why do you need them blurred out you big tough nazi storm trooper you...

scared that the "punks and fairies" are gonna come and get you?

if your cause were just you would have nothing to fear, you're disrespectful scum in my eyes for even being NEAR that cenotaph with nazi regailia.

you all seemed so upset lots of anti-fascists were masked up, but why then was there a NF 'security' goon with a mask on eh?

fascists in new zealand, erm, sorry, 'patriots' according to you, have burnt maraes, attacked mosques, bashed people unconscious, tried to run people over, smashed up cemetaries, and killed people.

well, sorry but i'm not stupid. i can work against your hate and vile ideologies far better if you don't have my face and name on file.

Facist, antifacist, you're all the same to me.

Yeah it seems to me that the Anti Racists show just as much hatred (if not more) then the Nazi's.
Doesn’t anyone else see the similarities? Its all just youth rebellion at the end of the day. They will mostly grow out of it. I wonder what it is that’s makes a youth either choose to be a Anarchist or a Nazi, when at the end of the day they are both just being anti social. They have way more in common then any of them want to admit. Run around trying to scare people, bring down the state, pretend to represent the workers and hate the police. Mohawks or skinheads? It’s just a strip of hair to divide them… Both had way smaller numbers then last year. Maybe the whole thing is getting old and doesn’t excite the younglings anymore. They have moved on to being full time junkies instead of just part time druggies with Political dreams.

Good point Bob, it's just young people being "anti-establishment" on both sides.

Hopefully they will grow up.

is it righteous to hate hatred. hell yes! tolerate intolerance? hell no! fight wrongs! fight oppression! fight injustice! fight ignorance!

the future belongs to us!

I don't think it was ever a matter of being 'anti-establishment' in my mind for anarchists (not that we're not), but about opposing the attacks in our communities by people like Nick Miller and his little friends, and allowing no room for fascists to organise politically.

The reason they were not many at the counter-demo on the weekend is because the fascists were too scared to publicise their action, so we only found out just before it happened. The only reason they were scared was because of the rark up they got last year.

what the hell our numbers were not as strong as we would have liked but nor were there's as for the idiots on the mega phone you didnt get what you wanted you didnt get violence from the National Front and you were the ones that walked out first cause you didnt like it that so many of your people got bummed out when ever you tried sid made a great speach and i for one was proud to be standing tall on thoes steps with the rest of the people from the national front people that care about there country and dont want it to lose what new zealand is about as for our security hiding his face i counted all of what two of your people without masks on whats the matter are you the ones that are scared to show your faces he did that because of his family and his children you didnt want to show your faces cause your scared of what we might do whats just sad and as for the so called Anarchist who gave one of our members her e mail and phone number if you say you hate us and what we stand for what we belive in and being proud of our country why the hell would you give that to one of our members of all people your number and e mail addie thats hypocritical and just plain funny the next demo we have are you going to have the same thing happen being mde a fool of and having to walk out on a demostration that you are suposidly so much against i really cant wait till next time ...... NF member and proud of it

My dear BOB, you are beautiful! Thank you thank you. You are a great example of someone living in a privillaged society who generally cares about whats going on but are quick to judge other peoples dissent. Its very foolish to make assumptions on people and movements by there clothes or uniforms or music tastes or physical appearance. A patch that reads say "meat is murder" is much different than a patch which reads say "white supremacy". Even though they are just patches after all, they mean very different things!! Its the ideologies which need to be looked at and fought over. You are right when you say "No one can take away whats in your head" but who put the thoughts in each ones head? The National front are for a society based on priviliages and hierarchies and patriarchies, and these things are oppressive in one way or another. It could have been easy to let them talk there talk and the police protect them, BUT its more important to, as someone mentioned somewhere on this site, to prevent them from organising politically. And, because the national front rarely make public appearances as a group, and of course when any group make a public appearance it is after all just a show, there show needs to be ridiculed and shut down. Besides, the national front already have a powerful platform in this society called the New Zealand Police Department.

Hate is Hate. It is ugly and it consumes people. Hate moves onto other things. As I said before I know for a fact many Nazi Skinheads used to be Anarchist Punks. Their Hatred grew into another level. It is the same hate with a different badge, they don’t care what the politics are, they just want to hate. Most of the young skins don’t even know what they hate.
Kyle Chapman was a punk once. Mohawk and all. He even had an anarchy tat.
This is my further evidence that people who get into negative things just carry that on to new levels. There is a way to stop the cycle, that way is to either find a better more productive way, or just get on with your life and stop worrying about it all. You know it will all go on whether you are there or not.
The Hate is the same hate; there are not two kinds of hate. Hate starts war. I thought Punks were supposed to be anti war. Yet they do what they accuse Bush of doing, they go out of their way to make war with others. If the Nazi’s do that aswell, then let the police deal with it. You don’t have to be a hero and take on the world. That’s what the police get paid for.
It would be nice to be in a country where we didn’t have so much hate.
Far out those boot girls those skinheads hang out with shag you punk’s aswell. They share their love, you should aswell. It’s the same as the women who go with all the street gangs. Maybe some of the guys are like that too, just there for a party and some women. The Demo’s etc are just a way to show off to their mates and earn those mind altering products and easy women latter when they tell their stories of what big hero’s they are.

Umm bob, can you not percieve the difference between kinds of hatred. for some reason you seem to think that any hatred is illegitimate???

Hatred towards an ideology that murdered millions and is in your town threatening to kill you seems to me to be quite a rational response. But you are equating this with the hatred the NF feel towards Jews and 'coloureds' for fucking up this country.

I don't think that there's a problem to have a bit of hatred towards these arses aslong you don't forget they are still humans that hopefully have some capacity for empathy left...

I'm sure if you were either a young student, or a parent with young children you would blur your face when you are opposing a group which has many members who are and have been involved in violent crime.

It's quite funny to see you supporting the NF. Afterall they are the group who co-ordinated a nice big party with the Satans Slaves. If you don't know much about the S.S perhaps you should google them and check out some of their hobbies. But then again it's not surprising that you condone criminals when you are one and have been involved with violent groups. So it is understandable how man a of your calibre can be supportive of gangs, drug dealers, and thugs.

Good day to you sir!

these are some of the stupidist comments I've ever seen.

SO what if Kyle fatman was a punk? what the hell is punk suppose to mean anyway? Its just a stupid cultural product to most. I know skins who have never been racist too, does that make all skins non-haters? no!

You are right that alot of old punks were nazis, or hung out with nazis. but to generalize now when so many political punks are trying so hard to reclaim their culture from fascist thugs is irreponsible.

Who is that guy trying to kid when he says "people got bummed out when ever you tried sid made a great speach and i for one was proud to be standing tall on thoes steps with the rest of the people from the national front people that care about there country"

Wasn't Sid's "great speach" the same as the ones he did last year? And how does wearing SS Death's Head logos or sporting nazi eagle tattoos demonstrate love for New Zealand? Weren't more NZers killed by Nazi Germany than by any other country (no record has been published of those killed by the British Army here in the 1800's, so that may be higher, maybe not).
The NF demo showed their stupidity, they just don't learn a thing do they?

Really the only way to end race hate groups is too end child abuse..
Ask any neo nazi nutcase about his upbrining and you can gurantee they are a product of a dysfunctional family enviroment.
Lets treat the cause rather then the symptoms.

by the sound of you jack,you had a dysfunctional family,and i say this because you seem to blame everything on homosexuality,did you have a homosexual experience growing up and are so ashamed of it that you like to blame all lifes problems on it,i know this probably isnt true but neither is anything you have said