Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuhoe
Update: Tame Iti was found guilty in the Rotorua District Court this morning!!! He was fined $300 on each charge and has to pay court costs ($260). He will appeal this decision. The flag and the shotgun shells were being sold on tradme to raise moeny to pay the fine. These were withdrawn by trademe. This of course is absurd considering they allowed the sale of the 'Minto Bar', which is a police baton used to assault people during the protests against Springbok Tour in 1981.
Tame Iti (pictured) will be going to court once more this Friday in Rotorua to hear the verdict of his firearms case. He was charged with two counts of unlawfully possessing a firearm after a Waitangi Tribunal hearing in January 2005. At that powhiri in Ruatoki (Bay of Plenty), Tame Iti ceremonially shot the New Zealand flag "to show the disgust of Tuhoe of the atrocities that happened to Tuhoe." [ Indymedia Feature ]
About the protest Tame Iti says: "We wanted them to feel the heat and smoke, and Tuhoe outrage and disgust at the way we have been treated for 200 years. (The Crown) destroyed people's homes and burned their crops and we wanted them to feel that yesterday. We wanted to demonstrate to them what it feels like being powerless. The confiscation and subsequent colonisation have had a devastating effect on Tuhoe over the past 100 years."
Links: Tame Iti | Aocafe | Tuuhoe | Ngai Tuuhoe
At the hearings last year, Tuuhoe Nation brought its claims forward. The Waitangi Tribunal reports its findings and makes its recommendations in writing to the crown. This report is expected in 2007.
Tuuhoe Claims
1. Get back the confiscated land
2. Own these particular lands
3. Be in control of Te Uruwera (currently a Natioanl Park)
4. Control the Hydro-Electric power stations and the lakes
5. A claim about the socio-economic impact on the people and the communities
6. Family claims
7. A claim about the rivers
Tuuhoe, who didn't sign Te Tiriti o Waitangi, was invaded by colonial forces and had land confiscated in the 1800s. One Tuuhoe woman said in 2005: "Our ancestors died fighting against them [colonial soldiers] for the land. We will not settle for anything less and maybe our hope will be realised and our lands will return to us. That is what we must look to."
Tame Iti - Revolutionary from Ngai Tuuhoe (text mostly taken from http://aotearoa.wellington.net.nz/he/tame.html)
Tame Iti is no stranger in the Māori protest movement. He became drawn into political struggle against the system at an early age. After growing up in Ruatoki, he moved to Christchurch aged 15 which was a crucial stage in Tame's life, providing him with the political ideology that would lead to more than two decades of direct anti-authority action. He joined in the protests against the Springbok tours, read about communism and went to China in the early 1970s, followed the American Black Panther movement, and helped set up the Maori Liberation Front, before moving north to Auckland where he met up with Syd and Hana Jackson and others who would eventially become key members of Nga Tamatoa.
Over the years Tame has been the brains behind some exceedingly novel protest action. In the 197Os he and some mates decided that Maori were such strangers in this land that thev needed to set up an embassy Borrowing a small tent from his birth father in Huntly, he made his way south. In Wellington he pitched his tent beneath Dick Seddon's statue in Parliament ground, lectured the lunchtime passersby until, feeling bit tuckered out, he stretched out his bedroll, zipped up the tent and had a snooze. A couple of hours later he was politely woken by an elderly policeman. Explaining that he was Tame Iti, the new Maori ambassador, he then wangled his way into the office of the then Maori Affairs Minister, Duncan McIntyre -some say to present his credentials. The episode ended in TV cameras, handcuffs and the "ambassador" being subjected to Her Majesty's hospitality for the night.
Then there was the time when Tame decided to stop an annual jet boat race up the Whakatane river that local kaurnatua had felt powerless to prevent. Getting nowhere by politely phoning the Pakeha race organiser, Tame plunged into the river; watched by nervous whanaunga from a convenient viewing platform. As the first boat approached he closed his eyes to karakia, opening them just in time to eyeball an irate jet boat driven In the split second in which their eves met, the driver swerved and ran into the willows lining the bank. It earnt Tame six months of PD cutting blackberry, though after two weeks he appealed his sentence - but that's another story.. Undeterred, the following year Tame was back in the river again, on horseback this time and with a few rnates for company There were more arrests - but no more jet boat races.
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Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Take it back, all of it, take it back with a vengence and take it back now.
http://www.corporatecrimeofthecentury.com/page/page/3379320.htm
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
The King tide is coming and it will swallow the former tide whole and carry it futher inland where it will then vomit it forth upon the ground so that it may be trampled beneath the feet of the next generation...the One and Only TANGATA WHENUA of AOTEAROA!!!
Tame Iti,you aint the Man..you da GAME!!..every man wanna play..Tena Koe KHZ..you TUHOE BOY 4sure..if ever you need us down dere KHZNs WE BRING THE FONTLINE OF THE HAKA!!!...NGAPUHI STYLEZ KHuZiN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Te tuatahi me wehe atu i te matuakore nana te toiariki, te toiurutapu te toiururoa, i nga mate haere haere haere tonu ra ki te huinga o te mano.
Tena kourua kua tuhia ke, tatou katoa,
Me kii anei te korero, this isnt Tame Iti on trial here, it is Ngai Tuhoe and all Maori on trial. The verdict handed down by the Crown tomorrow if found guilty, will be a guilty charge on Ngai Tuhoe, and all Maori. If this is to eventuate then the challenge then is up to all Maori who remain tru to the Kaupapa to begin a campaign of creating a havoc anywhere and everywhere possible.
Na reira, e te tino toarangatira o Ngai Tuhoe na, kia kaha, kia maia, kia tu tonu na i raro i te maru o tu!
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
the auctions were removed by trademe.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
According to the seller of the flag, (see comments on http://www.aotearoa.maori.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2855) trademe has deemed the items to be 'inappropriate'. This of course is absurd considering they allowed the sale of the 'Minto Bar', which is a police baton used to assault people that are now considered national heros, i.e. protestors against the Springbok Tour.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
news to hand, taame iti has confirmed that he will appeal his case.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
yeah "offensive to the public" was the reason for the removal of the flags from trademe on the 6 o'clock news.. which is really ironic considering Tuhoe history!
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
I'm not sure he's confirmed yet if he is appealing. TV1 and 3 both say he hasn't made a decision.
Fucked up case... especially when a white judge thinks he can advise Iti on what is proper tikanga! The media's response has been ridiculous - no one has questioned the real reason for this case: the assertion of colonial law over Tuhoe land.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
he is going to appeal.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Kia Kaha, Kia Manawanui Tame Iti
The Crown is "making you an example" but they do not realize your courage, persistance and dignity is giving an example to all Indigenous people everywhere to be ever vigilant and not bow to dominant culture pressures and tactics to waterdown traditions and expressions they know nothing of. You keep the spirit aflame. May you live long and healthy...Tame Iti and all those who resist genocide in any form overt or otherwise.
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MintoBar....hmmm that just gave me an idea for my next app.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Over 160 years in which tupuna have died for the land. If the fighting stops, then what our tupuna have done, is all in vain. Tame Iti is the media spokesperson for Tuhoe - and man, has he gotten media attention. He carries with him the mana of Tuhoe, he carries with him the mana of our tupuna.
"Che' bro, go hard!"
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Trademe are silly bastards - they could of had the auction of the decade. Its fine to see items from the war being sold, and police batons (these things that hurt and sometimes kill people) but they don't want the flag to be auctioned on their website? Oh well, there goes their commission.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Tuuhoe never signed the treaty, thus have no real legal grounds from which to fight from.
I cannot see how making any kind of claims through the court system, or demanding the return of "stolen" land can work. Tuuhoe were defeated in battle, and lost their lands and their rights to redress. Tuwharetoa and other neighbours have legitimate claims that can be looked into. Tuuhoe need to either move on, or take up arms....
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
An appeal?
Why put up with being subjected to Crown Justice anyway if you are not pakeha. If I was Maori and summonsed to Court I would attend but only to say I did mot acknowledge its jurisdiction.
The Crown is very very well aware it sorely lacks jurisdiction rights over Maori as is any Maori academic worth their salt.
Why else did it strike a deal with Durie round the 80s (see old Waitangi Comm reports) that in return for addressing land thefts and returning other aspects of sovereignty (which pakeha divide into several components) the Maori leaders would not mount a challenge to the Crown having legal sovereignty over Maori.
Gained only by default and exercised only by consent so long as Maori are good enough to play the game by turning up at Courthouses.
Seriously - I'm not really sure why Maori honor the system by turning up to Court (quite often).
If I felt strongly against the system (which I do) and was Maori (which I'm not) I'd definitely object to them trying to apply law to me that has nothing to do with me - and I'd take it to the highest level of legal challenge eg Supreme court especially if I'd broken no Maori lore!
This legal system has to be one of the most primitive manifestations of pakeha culture.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
How about auctioning the items on Aotearoa Indymedia? I'll open the bidding with $20 for the flag.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Indymedia is not a capitalistic commerical enterprise and means that the items cannot be auctioned on this website.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
But it's ok to advertise fundraiser dinners, film shows etc. on Indymedia?
Tame is also trying to raise funds for a good cause.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
"Hi" is full of shite,, indy is fine with raising money when it suits some.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Tena koe Lottie. One of the reasons we tend to turn up in court is because we tired of being locked up in jail...for not turning up to court. I think if it were you in the same situation, or were standing in our shoes, you would feel the same way.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Paru is obviously not listening to dk or a great many others, the whole way to Not show up in a Britrash Court is to take up GUNS. This is the ONLY thing whitey understands. Fact. I know I am one. If we (whitey's) think we're gonna get our stupid racist white arsses shot off, we wake the fuck up, but NOT until.
This whitey will never and did not whilst in Aotearoa, Bow to the crown of england, Perfidiouy Albion. ( the Jew) and nither should any of you Tangata te Whenua!
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Dickhead said:
"Paru is obviously not listening to dk or a great many others, the whole way to Not show up in a Britrash Court is to take up GUNS."
i see you aren't taking your own pearls of wisdom to heart, ah yeah thats right, you live on the moon, if you were here thats what youd be doing right?
"This whitey will never and did not whilst in Aotearoa, Bow to the crown of england, Perfidiouy Albion. ( the Jew) and nither should any of you Tangata te Whenua!"
how about we sneak your arse back in here, strap it up and send you into the bighouse dk? u up for that? since...you ARE the man when it comes to dishing out good ideas for others to do.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
LOL Paru,
Some mothers do have 'em. DK, why so rabid?
Hmm yes Paru - I guess you have a point about you guys turning up to court cos sick n tired of what happens if u dont. I actually got quite special treatment there lately by threatening to get my mates to bring on a haka - ooooh watch those lawyers run to patch things up real fast.
This was quite educational for me. I still think would be a good idea if many Maori started to deny the jurisdiction of courts specially considering where we're headed in future. I mean why not - they're ineffective all round - for offenders - for victims and the only ones made joyful by courts are those on big salaries there.
DK - so you understand guns, and dats all u understand.... hmmm interesting. U obviously aren't the DK that hangs out in Raglan a lot eh?
And where do jews come into all this pray tell?
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sorry bout the spellin boyz,, Perfidious Albion, the parasite, there is no difference between the jew and the pom, just look back in time.(for those unable to konnect dots),,,, I was told point blank, encouraging Maori to take up arms and taking up arms myself was exactly what got me deported. Paru is like a lot of puffery Maori, lots of wind only after it is safe to do so.
I am sure there will be other Kimble Bent types who will find what a sorry arse sitch you all are in and try to help you out the only way that works, I can't hbe the only yank repulsed at what you poor saps tolerate. I couldn't take that shit, and I'm white!!
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
> I was told point blank, encouraging Maori to > take up arms and taking up arms myself was
> exactly what got me deported.
still talking yourself up dk with nothing to show for it. if you are so into it then hop on a freighter and stoleaway back here to aotearoa lets see if you have the kahunas you tout others should have.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
sorry, your puny lil nation is gonna haf to grow up wit out da dk, he is needed here.
You really don't need a white guy to lead you Paru, just some courage of your own, try to be like Tama, he's not afraid, he knows for a fact whitey is scared shitless behind the scenes.
pack rapers with badges, you should be ashamed of your selves everytime you set foot in a British Court. but don't worry Paru, dk has already caught a couple a "kiwis" here and edumacated em, he won't ever give up and you hope he don't come back there ok lil boy? :>
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Tama Iti's shot Flag could quite easily bring some dollars from E-Bay, he might be a bit more popular than some kiwis think. yankee kids are getting mokos!
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"and you hope he don't come back there ok lil boy?"
i do hope you come back. when u do, dont be afraid, look me up.
paru@Linuxmail.org
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
dk - if you so expert in kiwitanga read my lips den boy and ma (bit of a Norm bates trick there)!
He aha koe? He manu porangi i ngaro i konei ne.
Ko Paru tou tuakana taku whakaaro.
E kii ana koe e pa ana a ia he tamaiti!
Engari kaore tou iwi i nga tangata nui atu i
tenei ao. Kati e hoatu kupu wero ki a ia. Ko nga mea rereke tenei e pa ana paheha i rere atu. Kei nga korero kino, kei patu nuikiria, na ratou e rapua i nga tini mea i te ao katoa. Kotahi e kai koe i te oranga o etehi atu iwi. Kua tahaetia nga whenua ou tupuna na te mahi tiriki. Ko Nga Puna aua o nga pirihimana kua whakaiti wahine ma.
Nou , hoki. Me haere atu ratou iwi tino pouri na te rautapu. Ki te mahi mo tou iwi kino i ko, i ko. Korero mai tou whakapapa tangata ma ki te pono he tangata, he iwi tuakana koe. Aroha mai mo te reo kohanga i tuhia nei! He akonga noa iho au.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
lottie, where do I say I am expert in anything?
I only know tolerating british jerks poisoning everything silly is bullshit, not to mention committing Genocide on you.....
I could take your Te Reo to Nessa Sturmey and she will translate it for me, or you could save the effort as she is not well?
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
A true Kiwi would not need a translator - so whatr is your adopted Nationality out of interest, where is your utopia?
My point is that it is cheeky for us pakeha to comment or pass judgement on the Maori response to our cultures noxious aspects. Especially for you because you have thrown the towel in re this country by leaving. Makes me wonder why you'd be on this site. IMO Mari can comprehend Maori culture pretty well even without reo but if we want to (which should be a prerequisite if you wanna call ya'self a Kiwi)then learning Te Reo is a necessary step. We could not expect to understand very much about the Fench or have an informed opinion unless we spoke French either.
So my point is that even if you might have some knowledge of facts or events (or not as the case may be) your challenges to Paru are coming from an unsound place. A very basic level too.
I see you telling him to be staunch, he responding by ?feeling sleighted and vaguely threatening you and boys will be boys when testosterone gets involved whatever the culture.
S my little spiel said - you started it, but if you gonna throw down a challenge best know what you talkin about - which it sounds like yu don't. In fact your sarcasm sounds quite as if you feel you or your culture is superior. So I said you aint acting like that is the case - what is your whakapapa (roots to this land and social standing) to claim (not overtly but by attitude)some kinda superiority to Paru.
1. You don't live here, but your ancestors mob did the damage - so you now cleared off
2. your talk is not genuine but is sparring probably not serous talk which if you knew much about Maori you'd know they don't "get" or at least appreciate that exclusively British dry facetious humour and can easily get P'ed off by it.
3. I'm encouraging civil disobedience but you areinciting war which I think is a bit irresponsible when you don't live here. Will you be rushing to return and take up arms to defend all your scared s***less pakeha cuzzys who progressively stole the land with dirty laws up to the 1960s if your words cause the clock to wind back some...? I somehow doubt it.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
A true Kiwi would not need a translator - so whatr is your adopted Nationality out of interest,
I'd be more ashamed to be a "Kiwi" than I am a yank! which is what I was before I realised one doesn't need a country, one can have the world instead,,,.
where is your utopia? the destruction of the USA gov't, which is what I was using your country for,,,
My point is that it is cheeky for us pakeha to comment or pass judgement on the Maori response to our cultures noxious aspects.,,,,,,,,,,,
because YOUR pakeha does not belong, I came as a visitor only knowing my culture does Not belong there (or anywhere actually),,,,,
Especially for you because you have thrown the towel in re this country by leaving.,,,, you are kinda missing some facts about my forced departure mate,,,,,,
Makes me wonder why you'd be on this site.,,, because before the heterophobes "banned" me I was on this site for seven fucking years asking, begging, pleading for help from all of you, in your newspapers and on your TV, all of you or 90% were off watching some guy stick his finger in another guys butt.,,, call it thugby?
7 that is SEVEN Years Paru, now it is obviously puffery right? anything you puff?
IMO Mari can comprehend Maori culture pretty well even without reo but if we want to (which should be a prerequisite if you wanna call ya'self a Kiwi)then learning Te Reo is a necessary step.,,,,,,,,,,,,, I tried very hard whilst there and know some of the words written,, however, I have 7 languages in my head already so gimme a break ( I moved to Aotearoa from Tokyo and am still conversant in nihongo),,,,,
We could not expect to understand very much about the Fench or have an informed opinion unless we spoke French either.,,,,,,,,, I agree
I may not understand much Te Reo but one week in your cunt tree and I KNOW why the British had to die or leave USA.......
So my point is that even if you might have some knowledge of facts or events (or not as the case may be) your challenges to Paru are coming from an unsound place. A very basic level too.
the solution is basic, bang bang, stop fucking up my society and leave now! Right?
I see you telling him to be staunch, he responding by ?feeling sleighted and vaguely threatening you and boys will be boys when testosterone gets involved whatever the culture.
let him go terrorise Dow for 6 years, kick my broken arse is easy, go kill or atleast TRY,, and giant US chemical Company
S my little spiel said - you started it, but if you gonna throw down a challenge best know what you talkin about - which it sounds like yu don't. In fact your sarcasm sounds quite as if you feel you or your culture is superior.
I have Kaumatua there who know me, Paru and others slights bother me not.....
So I said you aint acting like that is the case - what is your whakapapa (roots to this land and social standing) to claim (not overtly but by attitude)some kinda superiority to Paru.
Ya,, it's my planet and you all can just start pitching in more, sound good? You are welcome to start thinking like me too! your "patch" is connected to the rest?
1. You don't live here, but your ancestors mob did the damage ,,,,,,,,,,,,, sad ass typical non sense,,,,,,,,,,,
- so you now cleared off
2. your talk is not genuine but is sparring probably not serous talk which if you knew much about Maori you'd know they don't "get" or at least appreciate that exclusively British dry facetious humour and can easily get P'ed off by it.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, all wrong,,,
3. I'm encouraging civil disobedience but you areinciting war which I think is a bit irresponsible when you don't live here. TFB
(too fucking bad) you must not have seen Tama's declaration of war? wakey wakey,,,,I'll be causing War on that mob from whereever whenever I can,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Will you be rushing to return and take up arms to defend all your scared s***less pakeha cuzzys who progressively stole the land with dirty laws up to the 1960s if your words cause the clock to wind back some...? I somehow doubt it.
I was up for executing all those who couldn't fuck off basck to pommyland in 2 weeks! I am happy to live under Maori rule and always was,,,,,
you got me picked for the wrong whitey,,,,,,, talk to Ness/Hotu.....
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
A true Kiwi would not need a translator - so whatr is your adopted Nationality out of interest,
I'd be more ashamed to be a "Kiwi" than I am a yank! which is what I was before I realised one doesn't need a country, one can have the world instead,,,.
where is your utopia? the destruction of the USA gov't, which is what I was using your country for,,,
My point is that it is cheeky for us pakeha to comment or pass judgement on the Maori response to our cultures noxious aspects.,,,,,,,,,,,
because YOUR pakeha does not belong, I came as a visitor only knowing my culture does Not belong there (or anywhere actually),,,,,
Especially for you because you have thrown the towel in re this country by leaving.,,,, you are kinda missing some facts about my forced departure mate,,,,,,
Makes me wonder why you'd be on this site.,,, because before the heterophobes "banned" me I was on this site for seven fucking years asking, begging, pleading for help from all of you, in your newspapers and on your TV, all of you or 90% were off watching some guy stick his finger in another guys butt.,,, call it thugby?
7 that is SEVEN Years Paru, now it is obviously puffery right? anything you puff?
IMO Mari can comprehend Maori culture pretty well even without reo but if we want to (which should be a prerequisite if you wanna call ya'self a Kiwi)then learning Te Reo is a necessary step.,,,,,,,,,,,,, I tried very hard whilst there and know some of the words written,, however, I have 7 languages in my head already so gimme a break ( I moved to Aotearoa from Tokyo and am still conversant in nihongo),,,,,
We could not expect to understand very much about the Fench or have an informed opinion unless we spoke French either.,,,,,,,,, I agree
I may not understand much Te Reo but one week in your cunt tree and I KNOW why the British had to die or leave USA.......
So my point is that even if you might have some knowledge of facts or events (or not as the case may be) your challenges to Paru are coming from an unsound place. A very basic level too.
the solution is basic, bang bang, stop fucking up my society and leave now! Right?
I see you telling him to be staunch, he responding by ?feeling sleighted and vaguely threatening you and boys will be boys when testosterone gets involved whatever the culture.
let him go terrorise Dow for 6 years, kick my broken arse is easy, go kill or atleast TRY,, and giant US chemical Company
S my little spiel said - you started it, but if you gonna throw down a challenge best know what you talkin about - which it sounds like yu don't. In fact your sarcasm sounds quite as if you feel you or your culture is superior.
I have Kaumatua there who know me, Paru and others slights bother me not.....
So I said you aint acting like that is the case - what is your whakapapa (roots to this land and social standing) to claim (not overtly but by attitude)some kinda superiority to Paru.
Ya,, it's my planet and you all can just start pitching in more, sound good? You are welcome to start thinking like me too! your "patch" is connected to the rest?
1. You don't live here, but your ancestors mob did the damage ,,,,,,,,,,,,, sad ass typical non sense,,,,,,,,,,,
- so you now cleared off
2. your talk is not genuine but is sparring probably not serous talk which if you knew much about Maori you'd know they don't "get" or at least appreciate that exclusively British dry facetious humour and can easily get P'ed off by it.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, all wrong,,,
3. I'm encouraging civil disobedience but you areinciting war which I think is a bit irresponsible when you don't live here. TFB
(too fucking bad) you must not have seen Tama's declaration of war? wakey wakey,,,,I'll be causing War on that mob from whereever whenever I can,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Will you be rushing to return and take up arms to defend all your scared s***less pakeha cuzzys who progressively stole the land with dirty laws up to the 1960s if your words cause the clock to wind back some...? I somehow doubt it.
I was up for executing all those who couldn't fuck off basck to pommyland in 2 weeks! I am happy to live under Maori rule and always was,,,,,
you got me picked for the wrong whitey,,,,,,, talk to Ness/Hotu.....
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
so what youre saying is you gave up and chickened out of the fight? 7 years pfft...we been fighting this battle for 160 years sunshine and we will be fighting it a long time after both me and you are gone too.
u wanna raise up arms against the crown, stop wasting oxygen and come and do it...i have met many people like you, always willing to volunteer someone else to catch bullets, never ready to first volunteer yourself. theres your challenge right there. come back to nz and do it, or, continue to talk shit on this website (the ezi option).
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(where is your utopia? the destruction of the USA gov't, which is what I was using your country for)
I got bigger fish to fry Paru, you're welcome for the effort made while I was there. the chemicals Dioxin & alcohol has castrated& labotomised most all of you, I pity Tama.
those yanks, sure not known for being the first to shoot are they? yur the pussy.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
I'd be more ashamed to be a "Kiwi" than I am a yank!
Well dk I fully do know how corrupt NZ is so feel likewise, Actually I could write a book spanning judicial and Police corruption including dealings with illicit drug trade - 2 secret service murders I'm aware of in the last 20 years (one has a big reward on it but I'd dare not say a word) and also I know of some corruption at the very top - lets say Hel has Texan friends who are interested in policies which assist them to move product and test product and leave it at that.
I am tempted to write a book titled corruption in NZ but not naive enough to think it could ever get release here - and overseas ... well bloody no-one cares about the isolates stranded at the ends of the earth, bound to all be a bit queer anyway!
The worst aspects to me are the dirty corporates playing NZ forex etc like counters a black jack game midst other scams and the Queen of spin who has everyone brainwashed. Oh and the fact they're looking at putting a total crook (female) in the solicitor general position.
And the fact NZ consistently gets rated as a low corruption country drives me a bit spare - ha ha. I been all round world several times and seen nothing like it, despite having friends who are right up there and do tell me some juicey stuff. I know m15 people, rochestor mafia and even some members of those big name banking familys who have told me the inside track on certain stuff.
where is your utopia? the destruction of the USA gov't, which is what I was using your country for,,,
Sounds interesting - howso?
I came as a visitor only knowing my culture does Not belong there (or anywhere actually),,,,,
Oh is it that bad?
you are kinda missing some facts about my forced departure mate,,,,,,
Pls explain
Makes me wonder why you'd be on this site.,,, because before the heterophobes "banned" me I was on this site for seven fucking years asking, begging, pleading for help from all of you, in your newspapers and on your TV, all of you or 90% were off watching some guy stick his finger in another guys butt.,,, call it thugby?
Yep will Kiwis are not the most intellectual breed, but what were you trying to draw attention to - you mention pharmacueticals, we have something in common as I too am in a battle with pharms which might get public soon...
So my point is that even if you might have some knowledge of facts or events (or not as the case may be) your challenges to Paru are coming from an unsound place. A very basic level too.
the solution is basic, bang bang, stop fucking up my society and leave now! Right?
huh - I thought you said people shouold be nationless, wouldnt that remove territoriality?
"your "patch" is connected to the rest?"
let him go terrorise Dow for 6 years, kick my broken arse is easy, go kill or atleast TRY,, and giant US chemical Company
?????? When is a mass killer gonna get smart and go get that lot not schools etc
"you must not have seen Tama's declaration of war? wakey wakey,,,,"
But his explanation is in article above - it does not include inciting war. I was not offended by the flag fight. I'd have helped and added a bullet cos this fascist helhole is not land my grandad went to war to create for ME. That is why they went cos they all vowed to give their medals to the grandkids if they lived cos they said they were doing it for the grandkids they hoped to have - which is what kept them going. I consider this dynasty traitors.
I was up for executing all those who couldn't fuck off back to pommyland in 2 weeks! I am happy to live under Maori rule and always was,,,,,
you got me picked for the wrong whitey,,,,,,, talk to Ness/Hotu.....
But pommyland is real crowded and it gets dark in the afdternoon in winter. I tghink you're mean - would there be a process to sort the good settlers from the bad imperialist types?
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
ki aa taame maa: kia kaha ehoa maa, toitu ana te manamotuhake oo tuuhoe, e kore e ngaro, e kore e ngaro!
To DK: i need to point out to you that you tried and gave in - in that you failed and you scurried back to whereever you came from. tuuhoe people have been fighting this fight for well over a century now and no matter how long it takes, we will never give in, and, unlike you we have nowhere to run away to, and neither do we intend to.
so who the fuck do you think you are to even pretend for one minute that you have the right to tell us which is the right way for tuuhoe people to go eh upoko hamuti!
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
paru, you really are disconnected, get deported is run away huh? you Maori have not been fighting the crown you Maori have been very busy back stabbing each other. Lottie, NZ used AGENT ORANGE, complete with 2378-TCDD Dixon contamination to make dairy pasture for 50 years! this makes ne sense to an idiot, to a researcher it explains a great many things, like mass lesbians gender population skew.
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this makes ne sense to an idiot, to a researcher it explains a great many things, like mass lesbians gender population skew.
and in case this SCIENCE is homophobic, we can refer to the worlds highest cancer rates. ( the GENOCIDE I refer to). cellular poisoning took place there for 50 years, get your heads around that ACT OF WAR committed upon your peoples, and you'll lose interest in henpecking dk.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
don't give me your pathetic excuses pookokohua! people defy deportation orders e-v-e-r-y d-a-y, they go into hiding change their names & addresses. if you really believed in half of what you vomit in this webforum you'd have done the same thing.
so weak excuse shows weak character - u caved in - admit it - ur all shet - kai hamuti.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
DK you forgot to change your name to Lottie in that last post. eee-diot!
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Kia ora Paru. I am proud of what Tuhoe have accomplished and where you're heading. You are a source of hope to many of us in this country.
I wouldn't waste too much time on this dk character. I am sure you have better things to do in your day than spending your valuable time on people who are merely envious of you.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Who da fark is this 'dk' waka keikore kupapa, kei te whawha i tona ure? Moumou ha ehoa.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Duodecimo, dk is not Lottie. His name is Don Sarten or something and hes a yank. I am lottie and I am a 37 year old female in Wellington born in CHCH. I am trying to figure out where he is coming from. Perhaps a bit disturbed he is and maybe with reason. I just googled "dk" and found out he has in fact been involved in a long and it seems worthy even dangerous protest unless you believe the government that chemicals at paritutu were no problem. That i don't know as never been there.
It seems he does not express himself well at least (its like hes blown a circuit somewhere)and from a quick search on the dk name on this site that this has caused him problems before but i think people could be a bit more compassionate even if he does talk some crap. Why fight fire with fire, why argue with someone who may be unstable and so throws out a lot of anger.
And Paru strength is not the only value or measure of a mans character, no man is an island - maybe he lacked awhi - if he didn't hang in there and left country under pressure who are we to judge anyway. At least he's passionate about his cause. Why am i starting to feel like mediator? Hey why is everyone getting in a scrap.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
"I just googled "dk" and found out he has in fact been involved"
kia ora lottie. i know who dk is, i met the egg once a few years back just so you know im not stabbing in the dark here with any comments you read above. they are from my direct observations of the guy.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
DK's comments on this have all been hidden, as he is banned from Aotearoa Indymedia for constant homophobia, sexism, antisemitism and abusive behaviour.
Asher (For A-IMC Editoral Collective)
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Banned, what a load of heterophobic crap. so Paru met me some years back and now blows a bunch of hot air? BS.
I can do more to smash the kiwi dairy product based economy from over here anyway, yanks don't practice in tentional ignorance. & fuck you Ahser, I am not homophobic, any half wit hates Israel for lots of really good rerasons, sexism?
You ignorant arseholes just don't like what the scientific truth is. My daughter is just back from Iraq, covered in tumors. fuck all of you.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
"DK's comments on this have all been hidden"
the very 1st comment is dk's website.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Cheers for that.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Well thats the end of that then - maybe he should go join a debating club like parliament. U met him yrs ago - sounds like age does not always mellow...
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
I'll never be gay or try to pretend gay is ok.
and Asher is gay AS. may you get asshole cancer.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Te Mana Motuhake o Tuhoe is more then just korero it is a life time of issues that amount to what you believe to be freedom, freedom to do and think the way the free world with out interuption injoy every day. The Iwi of Tuhoe have not yet knowen that feeling of what it means to be in a state of Mana Motuhake they only test the waters all the time with up front action with in it rohe
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
Te Mana Motuhake o Tuhoe is more then just korero it is a life time of issues that amount to what you believe to be freedom, freedom to do and think the way the free world with out interuption injoy every day. The Iwi of Tuhoe have not yet knowen that feeling of what it means to be in a state of Mana Motuhake they only test the waters all the time with up front action with in it rohe
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
peace. live life no regrets.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
I recommend that Tame looks into the Crimes Act 1961 Section 9. No lawyer in this country could ever tell him about it so yeah, I might catch up with him when I'm next in Tuhoe. Cher brother. Te Whaiti ki roto te whare.
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
u cock head u r the 1 to bring yourself down u shame yourself
Re: Ko Te Manamotuhake Oo Tuuhoe - Maintaining the mana of Tuuho
tino pai tenei pikitia!!