Robocop Here We Come

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Strypey comments on the latest development from our favourite "non-lethal" weapons company Taser International - an autonomous robot with a built-in stun gun.

New Scientist magazine has published an article about Taser International's plans to equip PackBot robots that already carry guns for military use with TASERS so they can be used as police. In the 90s we faced testosterone-drenched cops in black stormtroopers uniforms during protests against corporate globalization. Now it seems we are about to transition from Star Wars to Robocop.

For those who never had the pleasure of this excellent piece of sci-fi satire, Robocop was basically the story of a flesh and blood policeman turned into an emotionless cyborg enforcer after being horrifically disfigured by a gang of hoods. The authoritarian belief in the disposability of humanity is brilliantly summed up in the transformation scene where one surgeon says he thinks he can save one of the cop's arms and the project leader says to cut it off. There are even little culture jam style adverts for futuristic products like mechanical hearts inserted into the film. It's a hoot!

Anyway the PackBot remind me of ED209, the brainless mechanical drone that instructed people to put their weapons down and then proceeded to tenderize them with a pair of chain-fed gattling guns even when they did. If we can't trust flesh and blood cops not to TASER someone for trying to stop a fight, what sort of faith can we have in a robots ability to distinguish who is a dangerously unbalanced person requiring electronic sedation and who is not? How can we have any faith it its ability to ensure it doesn't use its TASER in a way that causes permanent damage?

As always this brings up the perennial paradox that underlies the institution of policing - who polices the police? Who polices them?

Related

http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn12207-armed-autonomous-robots-cause-concern.html

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Oh is there sombody out there who is against the tazers? The silence the anti tazer gang is deafening. Where are all the deaths that we were promised? Where is all the mayhem and excessive violence that we were told would happen? Where are all the racist policemen only targeting "brown" people? Where is Marie Dyburg? Crawled back into there holes to await another crusade? More questions than answers. Find another soap box, this ones gone flat.

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This comment is a typical attempt to trivialize a serious issue by accusing people campaigning around it of being a rent-a-mob. Well committed activists are not the only sector who oppose the TASER. There are also mental health nurses, a group of professionals in a high-responsibility job:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4839/is_200607/ai_n17875458

Also the suggestion that it would take a death to prove that TASERs are being misused by police is both macabre and denies the documented stories of TASER misuse that have already emerged in Aotearoa as well as the many cases, including those of death, in other countries.

Strypey

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Your article requires signing up to read, but I've seen the gist of it in other articles and understand the concern - not about tasers themselves, but about them being used more readily than a gun would. While this is a very valid concern and one that needs to be policed, I am wary of being anti-tasers. Let's face it; mentally ill or not, if someone presents a danger to someone, they need to be restrained. In the unfortunate event of that happening, surely it is better that they be tasered than shot with bullets - really the only option for people presenting a serious and immediate risk.

I FULLY support very tight controls on these weapons, perhaps the same amount of paperwork that makes cops hesitant to fire their guns unless absolutely necessary. But is there a reason why we should not be looking for non-lethal forms of disabling a dangerous person, instead of sticking with lethal forms just in case they get misused? Surely it is preferable to have non-lethal weapons used on people - especially those not in control - and then to ensure they are used responsibly, than to not use them at all and leave them to continue getting shot when there's no other way to restrain them (e.g. they're armed and unable to be grabbed).

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Sorry, that was me posting above (new but happy to be here among other socially-aware and active folks!).

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Hey Strypey, Good to see you read the comments above, they are targeted at people like you. As they rightly said, find another soap box, this ones gone flat.

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Interestingly enough, the abstract for this article (as Kiore said you can't read it without a subscription) seems to be that the taser industry itself is against this robo-taser idea. As the article says, how many times will the person have to be tasered before a human can arrive to arrest them?

Taser International already have a remote controlled stand-alone taser 'gate' with 3 tasers and motion detectors/cameras (view this film for scary taser propaganda - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa0N1PODsZc).

NZHerald have a good taser section on their website also, which is a collection of all articles about tasers and includes a list of all taser firings in Aotearoa. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/index.cfm?c_id=1501075

Samsung have gone one step further a developed an autonomous machine gun for the Korean border.
Story: http://news.com.com/2300-11394_3-6140088-1.html
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkV8E2re9U

Whatever gets employed, it seems to me that people interested in resisting the state machine need to start looking into Electronic Counter Measures now, as the armed forces and police are just going to get increasingly automated in coming years.

[RR]

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Whatever happened to the story about the young police officer who peppersprayed some young children before tasering himself whilst responding to a domestic situation?

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Whatever happened to the story about the young police officer who peppersprayed some young children before tasering himself whilst responding to a domestic situation?
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Tasered himself? Lawl.

Stop, or I'll shoot myself

Constable zaps himself and innocent teen with Taser.

A constable who took a Taser to a central Auckland domestic dispute wound up shocking himself and a 16-year-old and later pepper-spraying an innocent 21-year-old woman. The constable accidentally blasted himself with the Taser's 50,000 volts as he reloaded the weapon while trying to stun a man at the centre of the domestic incident on October 1. One shot accidentally struck the man's teenage son.

After five attempts to hit the man, the officer eventually used pepper spray. This hit the man's 21-year-old daughter, also an unintended target. The man eventually gave himself up. The constable, who had had Taser training, was not injured.

The weapon is the police's much-vaunted alternative to firearms and is being tested by 170 frontline police in Auckland and Wellington. Police revealed details of the incident after Weekend Herald inquiries.

Detective Inspector Bernie Hollewand of Auckland City police confirmed that the constable fired the Taser five times - three times loaded with cartridges and twice in "contact" mode, where it is used like a cattle prod. The first shot hit the son. Mr Hollewand said the officer claimed that just as the red laser sight was on the man's chest, he pulled his son across him.

It is believed that at one point the officer received a jolt after putting his hand in the Taser. "The constable did remove one of the cartridges before a five-second discharge cycle was complete and he did feel in his hand that the device was arcing 50,000 volts".

But an official police update of the Taser trial, published on October 17, makes no mention of the constable firing five times, or missing his target, zapping himself or hitting the boy. It simply says a man was contained after the Taser was fired.

Police Commissioner Howard Broad also did not mention the incident when he appeared before a Parliamentary committee, saying frontline officers supported the introduction of the weapon, and yesterday National Party police spokesman Simon Power wanted to know why.

Police media officer Jon Neilson said the fact a Taser had been fired more than once in a single incident was not "relevant".

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madness...

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It is believed that a substantial percentage of criminals are suffering from a form of mental illness. Taser was once a therapeutic treatment in the form of EEC.

But a police spokesperson announced that the Police force is not for people who are given second chance - minor offences, height, and etc..

Considering that the Police is not immune from corruption, and the stereotypical approach to criminals, neither the Police nor science is making any progress. They are in fact taking three steps backward.

If the Police spokesperson is anything like a Robocop, then we will have absolutely racist machines controlling society.

They have proven that you don't need a brain to discriminate on the basis of color or status...

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Just to prove that robots aren't racist, 'science alive' have made a video of their robot doing a haka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLQQO91eCRc&NR=1

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Dear 'boring',

Do you think they test these taser weapons on humans? Non-lethal weapons should be of equal concern to human and animal rights activists.

http://www.stopanimaltests.com/f-taserAirForce.asp

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It is disappointing to see someone overly passionate/zealous about animal rights that they have forgotten about its foundation: compassion and respect. Most unfortunate.

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robots doing haka is not a robocop, see the difference-:]

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I've heard they are good for kick starting your car, and have been known to save lives of people in cardiac arrest? Bring them on, put them in pre schools, taxis, buses and trains. The next life they save could be yours.