The struggle continues...

Guns and bombs - not in my name thanks.

Way 2 go ... Awesome. I hear (thru Bebo) there is going to be a peaceful march to tautoko the kaupapa around Heretaunga wayz on 1st December.

As a born and bred Te Urewera female who grew up Hunting & fishing in the hillz, I am not afraid or concerned about the 4 rifles they found. A couple of 22s and the old 303 and a 7 ml ... pretty normal stuff for hunting. What bombs?

If you read here:

NZ Herald
5:00AM Saturday November 17, 2007
By Phil Taylor
Herald online
The anti-terror raids of October 15 resulted in the seizure of only four weapons and 230 rounds of ammunition that have led to charges.

The early-morning raids involved more than 300 officers.
The police have not said what they seized in the property searches in Auckland, Waikato, the Bay of Plenty, Wellington and Christchurch using warrants alleging crimes under the Terrorism Suppression Act and have declined a request to do so.

But of 16 people charged with firearms offences, items seized on October 15 are the basis of charges against only two - Tame Iti, and a man who has name suppression. .

The charges Iti faces include illegal possession on that date of three rifles - a Ruger, a Siga and a Machtech - while the other man is charged in regard to a Ruger rifle and 100 rounds of .22 calibre bullets and 130 rounds of .303 calibre ammunition.
The police said it was inappropriate to comment about matters before the court.
Many of the 16 are charged jointly with up to 12 others and the dates the offences are alleged to have occurred relate to dates of the alleged training camps in the Ureweras. The earliest charges relate to November 2006.
The Crown predominantly appears to rely on evidence from surveillance of the camps and interception of conversations. While the latter would be admissible for charges under the Terrorism Suppression Act, it is unlikely to be for firearms charges.
Meanwhile, the Solicitor-General says he has no plans to provide a detailed assessment of flaws he identified in the Terrorism Suppression Act, which he said was "almost impossible to apply in a coherent manner".
His criticism prompted the Government to refer the matter to the Law Commission.
An Auckland University specialist in criminal procedure, Associate Professor Scott Optican, said Dr Collins' input would be invaluable to the commission because he had assessed the evidence and the terrorism law.
"How can the Law Commission comment on the sufficiency of a law unless they know exactly what are the problems alleged with it with respect to the facts of this case," said Professor Optican, a former prosecutor.
"I haven't been convinced enough to know whether there really is a problem in the law or [whether] the case just failed for lack of proof."You have to make a rational argument as to what is wrong with the law and why you want it to get at behaviour that it doesn't get at. Just to say the law is rubbish isn't enough; you have to be very specific in light of the facts of the case."
A spokeswoman for Dr Collins said he was not doing a report on the matter and had not been asked to.
But it was usual for the commission in the course of reviews of legislation to consult all agencies with an interest in the particular legislation.

As you can see it is how the picture is painted in the media ... beforehand. So it is just 2 people on arms charges and the arms concerned are the types of rifles that are normally used by hunters.

Tautoko hard out!!!

Kia ora,

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Thank you very much

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Thanks for ur marvelous support and ur aroha/love for us all as we struggle with this shit.

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The Australian National Errections are Cumming!

Be sure to vote so that we can get shafted.

Choices this year: Dudd or Coward

I agree that the ruling class foresee some turbulence ahead, courtesy of Peak Oil, economic depression and climate chaos fall-out.
The cops and army, however beefed up, couldn't handle a mass uprising though. Starving people generally end up hanging politicians from lamp-posts.

the evidence to date , after the removal of media hype and anti-establishment bullshit, is that some of the 17 detainee's if not all, were in vovled in criminal activities that crossed the line of expected civilized behaviour. it is against the law for a civilized citizen to threaten another with murder, it is against the law to be in possesion of unlicenced firearms and excessive ammunition. if the detainees have a lilly white record, then during a trial of their peers they have nothing to fear as they will be aquitted.
I am annoyed that certain citizens of nz, feel that the only way that they can get their just deserts is by taking it at the end of a gun.
Please be warned that those citizens who would use a gun to settle past grieviances , nzérs as a whole are a laid race, very easy going when at peace, but when aroused to full anger and fury, we are the most adaptiable and feroucious of fighters, prepared and willing to accept any cost or causualty to protect our country, religious beliefs, democracy and way of life.
Do not threaten us, do not take up the gun and for god sakes get over yourselves.
the only thing hindering you in achieving success in to days society is the god damn chip on your shoulder about greiviance that are being sorted out in the approprate places, the courts.
whitey can't go home to europe because we aren't europeans we're nzérs. yet used to that fact, get used to the fact that nz to day is not nz of the 18th century, move on and look to the future, not backwards to the past.
things are changing slowly and surely.
yes your not riding around in a rolls and living in remurea, but then neither am i!
work hard, continue your education, retrain, get that higher paid job,save your pennies, buy your stake in nz, just like the rest of us do.
if you sit on your ass, on the dole, bleating about hard up you are then fuck all is ever going to happen is'nt it.
if you steal from whitey and get caught, then you haven't got an excuse to complain about what happens to you, have you.
the key to success in the 21st century is what you make of your opportunities, if you do nothing you get nothing. if you work hard and train hard you getsomewhere. if you spend all your cash then you go broke.
it doesn't matter whether your a maori, a samoan, a honkey, an asian, an indian, a muslim etc, make the most of your opportunities, dont expect others to give it to you.

"Economic depression is a myth, what economic depression"
After oil crash. Along with die-off.

pakehas must accept the shit they have caused since 1769 in this tiny litle country. if they do not do that you are right - they must die or submit to maori sovereignty. to kill a few pakeha is really not a big deal in the scheme of things.

it is the only way of solving the problem that this system has posed since 1769. you say you want peace, but to achieve peace we must kill the shitheads who stand in the way

your with us or against us... no more compromise with the phoney White Witch or her faggot husband... we must destroy those who symbolically and materially get in the way of real change...

come on new zealand... rise up and destroy those who have imposed your shackles... too long have we taken it up the arse through our attitude of apathy. too long has this attitude come to render our cries for change meaningless.

In the summer and fall of 1933, a Los Angeles mining engineer named G.Warren Shufelt was surveying the L.A. area for deposits of oil, gold and other valuable materials, using a new device which he had invented. Shufelt had designed and built a radio-directed apparatus which he claimed was able to locate gold and other precious resources at great depths. He believed that the radio device worked on a newly discovered principle involving electrical similarities of matter which had the same chemical, physical and vibrational character. His device appeared to consist of a large pendulum suspended in a cylindrical glass case which was housed in a black box with compasses on it.

The pendulum would trace a line directly from a piece of ore broken from a vein to the vein it was originally taken from. Hair taken from a test subject would lead investigators to the person who had donated the hair sample. It was said to have worked even at a distance of many miles.

Although he would not tell exactly what was in the box, Shufelt believed that by tuning into the individual frequency of a particular material, he could locate similar matter. He believed that the emanations and gravitational factors of matter influenced the pendulum and that, in principle, no two separate things were exactly alike.

Shufelt was extremely puzzled when one day, while taking readings near downtown Los Angeles, his instruments showed him what seemed to be a pattern of tunnels which led from what is now the Public Library in the heart of L.A. to the top of Mount Washington and the Southwest Museum to the north in Pasadena. He proceeded to draw a map and had it copyrighted.

What he discovered appeared to be a well planned underground labyrinth with large rooms located at various points, and deposits of apparently man made gold in the chambers and passage ways. Some of the tunnels ran west for 20 miles under the Santa Monica Bay, which he believed were only used for ventilation.

Unfortunately, Shufelt had no idea that they were connected to the older ruins of an even greater city which was covered by the Pacific Ocean thousands of years ago during a tremendous earth-quake and subsequent flood.

The subterranean complex he had discovered was used for emergencies and was only designed to accommodate 5,000 people or less. Food supplies of imperishable herbs were stored in sufficient quantities which would enable the survivors to live underground until it was safe to come back to the surface. Valuable personal belongings and utensils were also brought into the complex along with historical records and gold treasures.

During his research, he met a Hopi Indian named Chief Little Green Leaf, who told him about the legend of an ancient race of "Lizard People". The legends said that about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, an enormous meteor shower fell on the western coast covering an area hundreds of miles wide.

Winslow crater in northern Arizona is only one of the pieces that fell from the sky at that time. Thousands of people were killed, their crops wiped out, dwellings destroyed, and the forests set on fire. The surviving members of the medicine lodge, which had remained on the west coast, met to make plans for constructing safe areas. The sentinels of the sky gave their warning that it was time to enter the shelters and seal the shafts behind them-selves. They were forced to go underground to save them selves from a gigantic meteor shower which devastated most of the west coast of the US . The "Lizard People" of Los Angeles survived the meteor shower, but were killed by natural gas leaking into their bunkers.

Shufelt believed that they had built 13 such underground facilities in different areas for such a purpose. One was located in the eastern section of Arizona in a small town called Springerville and was only discovered recently. Another was located under a hill which was surrounded by a curving ridge of mountains like the middle of a horse's hoof. This is exactly the type of terrain seen in downtown L.A. in the area that is now the Board of Education, which is built over the ruins of the old Willis Estate on top of Fort Moore hill.

Shufelt and his partner Chief Little Green Leaf were both convinced that the ancient legends and the readings from Shufelt's mystery machine were true. They decided to obtain a permit to sink a shaft down into the ruins of the subterranean city. They located a vacant lot at 518 North Hill Street, directly above one of the largest rooms. On 21st February 1933, the County Board of Supervisors approved a contract with Rex McCreary, Warren Shufelt and Ray Martin to search for buried treasure there. The permittees were to bear all expenses, to leave the property in its original condition, and to share 50% of all discoveries and treasure with the city of L.A.

The county originally only allowed them to dig up to depths of 50 feet for fear of cave-ins. On 27th March 1933 they requested additional time and depths on their permit, believing that the labyrinth of tunnels was at least 1,900 feet in length, with rooms containing 9,000 square feet which contained valuable gold treasure in at least 16 places. On 10th April 1933 the contract was renewed. By the end of November in 1933, the main shaft was at a depth of 200 feet. Shufelt was determined to drill to a depth of 1,000 feet if necessary. On 29th January 1934, the first stories regarding the leg-end of the "Lost Land of the Lizard People" made the L.A. newspapers. By this time, one of the five shafts was already 250 feet deep.

According to the legend and the radio surveys, the underground city was laid out in the shape of a lizard, with its tail under the Main Library at Fifth and Hope, and the body extending Northeast, with the head being at Lookout and Marda near North Broadway. The key room to the city was located under Second and South Broadway. The leg-ends state that the key room is the directory to the rest of the city, and to the historical gold record tablets. These gold tablets were slabs of gold, 4 feet long and 14 inches wide. The tablets were believed to contain the records of the origins of the human race, and the history of modern man in the Americas, including details regarding the history of the mysterious Mayan people.

Shufelt's radio-wave machine mapped the rooms and tunnels as subsurface voids, with the gold slabs as dark areas, showing perfect geometric angles.

The rooms, seven of which occurred within an area of six square city blocks, varied in size from 23' x 23' to 34' x 42'. The room below the first shaft was 31' x 42', and the key room was the smallest. Water had seeped into some of the tunnels, and several of the rooms including the largest were flooded. Shufelt was prepared to use divers to explore the submerged areas when they finally broke into the subterranean city. Chief Little Green Leaf claimed that the "Lizard People" had been able to predict earthquakes and that he had also been able to do so. He had accurately predicted the destruction of the Long Beach quake on 10th March 1933, a month in advance.

He believed that it was easy for anyone to tell 96 hours in advance when an earthquake was coming, because the needle on a compass would become demagnetized and refuse to point north.

By the beginning of February 1934, the first shaft had reached a depth greater than 250 feet and was still being dug, despite difficulty caused by the water encountered in its path. Several newspaper articles featured updates on the project.

Shortly after all the media attention was focused on this search for the lost city under L.A., the project was suddenly stopped and abandoned. On 5th March 1934, the shafts had been filled in and the contract with the city was canceled. Neither gold nor any other treasure was ever turned over to the County of Los Angeles.

Mr Arche Dunning of the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce stated in December of 1947 that, "It is quite possible, of course, that the supposed labyrinth really exists. But in view of the fact that the overlaying area is the immediate Civic Center area where an important building program is to be carried out, including federal, state, county and city building, there is little probability of any further excavations."

This is really not a true statement because it is necessary to excavate many hundreds of feet into the ground before a high-rise building can be constructed. Also, one should consider that sewage systems are all underground. And let's not forget the new Metro Rail System, which rises up from many feet below the Civic Center before it speeds commuters on their way.

Long ago even the Chinese dug tunnels around the area which is now the train yard. These red brick subsurface tunnels were used for their safe passage, from one end of Old Chinatown to the other and are now an historic landmark found preserved at Alvera Street.

It is quite possible that there is another city below the L.A. Civic Center which only a small
number of people have access to. The question is, who?

(Source: Unicus magazine 2/92.1142 Manhattan Avenue, Suite 43, Manhattan Beach, CA
90266. USA)

"Animal Rights and Veganism is all you need to solve all of the world's problems! See www.quitmeat.org.nz for evidence!"

While by far the percentage of people that are vegans that are shining lights to the world and by far, outweigh those that arent, the essential problem with your argument is that both Pol Pot and Charley Farly Manson were proportedly vegans (including allegations that Adolf Hitler turned veggie as well).

So I wouldnt go around preaching that becoming a vegan is the end all of the worlds problems. By the same token, big ups to vegans.