More Raids - Meeting 7pm Wellington Tonight

From RadioNZ:

Another three people have been arrested as part of the police investigation into alleged firearms offences in the Bay of Plenty.
Police have confirmed to Radio New Zealand that the three, who were arrested on Tuesday, will be charged with unlawful possession of firearms.
Two men aged 44 and 46 from Maketu are due to appear in the Tauranga District Court. A 24-year-old Ruatoki man will appear in the Whakatane District Court.
In October 2007, 16 people were arrested and charged with unlawful possession of firearms in the Ruatoki, Whakatane and Western Bay of Plenty areas.
Police say the investigation team continues to focus on bringing these matters before the court and there will be no further comment.
Te Kotahi a Tuhoe Trust chairman Tamati Kruger says this feels like further persecution of Tuhoe. But he says he has been assisting the police in order to minimise further upset to the families of those involved.

The meeting has had to be moved because Thistle Hall was vandalised. We'll be meeting at 128 instead. There will be people and notices at Thistle Hall, to let people know of the change of venue

I'm in Tauranga, on tour, can anyone post what time appearances, I could come in to Court to be solidarity!

na Keri

Are the raids political or firearms related? I don't have a problem with illegal weapons being taken out of circulation. The drawback is the media (both mainstream and alternative) is so bias you really have to be there to actually know what is going on.

"apparantely the police have more warrants so more raids to come"

They will have to arrest all of Tuhoe if they want to win the war against Tuhoe Sovereignty

is this a pro-firearms NRA style site now?

"is this a pro-firearms NRA style site now?"

I am anti illegal firearms, how does that make me NRA?

They weren't charged with being in possession of illegal weapons. "possession of firearms except for some lawful, proper and sufficient purpose" is a cop thing, they can charge you with that if it is deemed by them that you are not acting within the guidelines of the arms act, irrespective of if you have an arms licence and legally purchased the gun they are referring to.

What a waste of time and space to believe a terrorist organisation could beat the governments obligation to the treaty.
Article 1 British governance [sovereignty].
Article 2 "All the people of New Zealand."
Article 3 PROTECTION and assurance of SAME treatment as the British, confirming Article 1.

As few would agree with the above we have the trouble we are now in. I'll leave you to squable. Who would care, the treaty's there!

"Article 1 British governance [sovereignty].
Article 2 "All the people of New Zealand."
Article 3 PROTECTION and assurance of SAME treatment as the British, confirming Article 1."

Ah the old english version of the treaty, 99% signed by the crown agents. Whereas the Maori version has both crown and Maori signatures and goes like this:

Article 1 British governance.
Article 2 Maori Sovereignty, Crown right to buy land
Article 3 PROTECTION and assurance of SAME treatment as the British subjects

Time to start,investigating and criminally charging some of these so call good Cops that are commiting crimes too,who try to blanket themselves under the letter of the law and the Police Force. How many cops out there are actually not drug users and taking advantage of the resourses to commit crime and criminal activities. Don't worry we have a non corupt Police Force in NZ. My lilie white ass are they straight and law abiding.

Kia Kaha, e hoa maa, arahanui ki a koutou katoa i te iwi o Tuuhoe.

Tonite, we're playing in Tauranga at the Coliseum, I'll be doing a mihi and speaking briefly before Cherry's Gemstones hit the stge as the headliners.

Anei, ka kite raa, i te raa o te Kooti ki Tamaki Makaurau.
na Keri

Whoever is claiming Maori sovereignty, please quote from te Tiriti text. Te Tiriti is our only treaty and Govt have tried and failed to prove their English treaty is genuine. See www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz

Article 2nd, quote, "tangata katoa o Nu Tirani"

To those who cannot read Maori, quote, "all the people of New Zealand"

Anyone who wants to argue 'sovereignty' is part of Article 2, convince the web site above. This is a public web site in which the governments best have tried and failed. Should you succeed, you will be an all time hero. No joke. Good luck.

Here is the wording:
Ko te Tuarua
Ko te Kuini o Ingarani ka wakarite ka wakaae ki nga Rangitira ki nga hapu-ki nga tangata katoa o Nu Tirani te tino rangtiratanga o o ratou wenua o ratou kainga me o ratou taonga katoa. Otiia ko nga Rangatira o te Wakaminenga me nga Rangatira katoa atu ka tuku ki te Kuini te hokonga o era wahi wenua e pai ai te tangata nona te Wenua-ki te ritenga o te utu e wakaritea ai e ratou ko te kai hoko e meatia nei e te Kuini hei kai hoko mona.

And my translation:
Article Two:
The Queen of England agrees to the current establishment of the chiefs, the subtribes, to everyone in New Zealand their complete sovereignty over their lands, villages and all their treasures. However also request the Confederation of Chiefs and all the Chiefs will sell land to the Queen at a price agreed to by the person owning it and by the person buying it exclusively appointed by the Queen as her purchase agent.

So you see where it says, 'However also', that is tagging a restriction onto the previous charge. Like, whereas yes you do have complete sovereignty over your lands and what not, but we agree here today that you will only sell your land to us the Crown, and not to those other currently pakeha ripping you off. So, if what you are saying is correct, then Pakeha who had land at that time, none of which was by official deed, would not be able to sell their land to anyone else but the Crown, in fact, all Pakeha owned land today would then fall under the restrictions of Maori land, and you would not be able to sell it or own it as freehold title.

The Treaty was signed between the Crown and Maori, not between Pakeha and Maori. Thats where your interpretation goes wrong. The treaty was designed to give the appearance that it was guaranteeing the rights that Maori already had into a written format of a treaty.

Re: More Raids - Meeting 7pm Wellington Tonight
19 Feb 2008
by Julz
apparantely the police have more warrants so more raids to come

Re: Sup Julz, what evidence is there to support that claim? (Apart from the headlines in a weeks time)

I don't think Julz has any evdidence at all to support that...perhaps discussions made by others would be her claim for that...? Which ain't hard evidence at all! But yeah Julz please do enlighten us with your claims that the police have more warrants for more arrests? I don't think they could be that stupid to have another repeat of October 15th 2007....????

Thomas Young who supposedly translated the Treaty in 1869 although noted as a registered translator, was actually an agent of the crown, worked for the Native Land Court which was instrumental in removing 66 million acres of Maori land from Maori, much of which was later deemed as illegal sales.

It was important for Young to select the world property rather than any of the other 17 interpretations of the word, including its most common use of the day which is the same common useage of today, that of a treasure.

To use Youngs interpretation of the Maori version of the treaty is about as worthless as using the English version of the treaty, for its not the English interpretation that is of most importants but rather how the Maori that signed the treaty in those days understood the meanings of those words.

There is no need to speculate on which back translation is correct, all one needs do is refer to the real thing, Governor Hobson's official final English draft. As Henry Willams and his son, Edward, translated te Tiriti from this, both documents are identicle. A special meeting was held in which all other drafts, including the draft Govt's Official English treaty was copied from, were condemed.

Maori's knew what they signed alright. They chose the British as they were kindest to them and begged them to take over sovereignty so the British could stop the Maori Musket Wars [in which Maoris were slaughtering each other by the tens of thousands]. It was understood British could not do this without sovereignty.