Crisis in Thailand - a Marxist view

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Thailand is currently in crisis, with a deformed expression of class struggle occurring between one side that wears yellow shirts and another that wears red. How can we make sense of this situation, and what is the way forward for those of us interested in the interests of the poor and working class? John Moore, formerly a resident in Thailand, and now a Workers Party activist, argues that the Thai working class is a mass force that has yet to roar, but that the small radical element amongst them shouldn’t ‘give up the bullet for the ballot’ to reform Thai society through the Thai capitalist state.

People’s Alliance for Democracy - utterly reactionary

The aims and class interests of the so-called People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) are utterly reactionary. They want to effectively disfranchise a majority of the population. They are quite blatant about this, saying the rural poor are uneducated and therefore unfit to determine who is the government.

They can certainly draw big numbers. But in a city of over 12 million, protests of thousands needs to be put in context. There have also been cases of Bangkok residents being paid to attend PAD rallies. In a city with mass poverty and increasing unemployment it doesn’t take much dosh to draw in 1000s to a protest. The PAD protesters are commonly termed as the yellow shirts for the colour of the tops they wear.

PPP - populist, but not progressive

On the other side are supporters of the Peoples Power Party (PPP), called the red shirts for the colour of tops that wear at counter-protests. The red shirts have actually been able to draw bigger numbers, including a rally of 60 000 pro-government supporters in Bangkok this year. The PPP base is amongst the rural poor, predominantly in the North-East of Thailand known as Isan. However the PPP is no progressive force despite its populist programme and base support. It has a clear anti-working class programme, and is led, and still supported, by a section of the Thai ruling class.

PPP’s mass popularity, and seemingly unbeatable formula, has irked sections of the Thai elite. The current coalition against the PPP party is made up of royalists, the Bangkok ‘middle class’, and millionaire business interests. It is also supported by top military brass.

A ‘deformed’ expression of class struggle / What side is best?

This picture is confusing. The clash between the red shirts and yellow shirts could be seen as a ‘deformed’ expression of class struggle. (See Thai crisis exposes class struggle ) The yellow shirts are predominately middle class whereas the red shirts are made up of poor supporters of the PPP. However, both the programmes of the PPP and the PAD are anti-proletarian, pro-capitalist, and both parties are led by representatives of the Thai ruling class. So the conflict can equally be seen as a dispute between the Thai ruling class itself.

What side should proletarian revolutionaries take in Thailand? This question particular interests myself as I lived in Thailand for over two years, and my wife is Thai. I’ve also had contact with the only Marxist group in Thailand, the Workers Democracy Group (WDG) led by Trotskyist influenced academic Giles Ji Ungpakorn. The WDG has now transformed itself into a more populist based group, the Peoples Coalition Party (PCP).

There is no basis for political support for either side in the current dispute. Both sides represent sectors of the ruling class, both have, and aim to, implement anti-working class programmes. And both are fully committed to managing the Thai capitalist system in the interests of various sections of the Thai ruling class.

Although PPP have implemented policies that have especially benefited the rural poor, their opening up of the Thai economy to western corporate interests and their deregulation of certain parts of the economy will, if not already, have a negative impact on the livelihoods of millions of poor farmers and rural workers. The PPP’s policies are an extension of the populist welfare policies of the former Thai Rak Thai government.

What if there is a violent clash between pro-government forces and the PAD? I think it could be argued that there would be a side for the working class to take in the context of such an immediate clash. The right-wing PPP bases its support and power on the maintenance of a form of bourgeois democracy. The PAD clearly wants to dismantle what limited democracy exists in Thailand. Their ascendancy in such a clash would clearly lead to a disfranchisement of the majority of the population.

The small Trotskyist influenced PCP, I believe, has taken the correct stance of giving no form of political support to either side in this dispute. I think they have exaggerated the point in calling the PAD ‘fascist’. The ascendancy of the yellow shirts would not lead to the type of totalitarian societies seen in traditional fascist situation such as Italy, Spain and Germany in the 1930s. The PAD wants to seriously curtail democracy, but I do not think there is any evidence to say they would smash organisations of the working class and the rural poor, as happened in the case of the usurping of power by traditional fascistic forces. However the PAD are clearly reactionary.

Historical Politics

The ongoing crisis in Thailand needs to be seen in the context of the election of the populist Thai Rak Thai (Thais Love Thailand) party in 2001. For the first time in this country’s modern history a political party directly appealed to the sentiments of the mass of the population, overwhelmingly poor farmers, with a populist economic programme. The ‘mass’ protests against Thai Rak Thai (TRT) in 2006, and subsequent protests against the present Peoples Power Party (PPP) led government, are a reaction against the voting power of the poor. The PPP is essentially a reformed TRT, since it was banned in 2007 after a military coup.

With the election of TRT in 2001, Thailand’s poor received a number of benefits. With the 30 baht health care plan, millions of Thais, previously denied adequate health care, could now go to the hospital and come away with medicine. Many villages had roads resurfaced, or surfaced for the first time. The moneyed elite deride former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra for ‘buying’ the poor’s vote, but this is the same way votes were ‘bought’ by Western Social Democratic forces and the new deal US Democratic party in the 1930s and 40s. For much of the population, their lives just got better under TRT.

Ironically former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra is a billionaire and one of Thailand’s richest men. A section of the Thai bourgeoisie initially aligned themselves with TRT, which combined ‘Keynesian’ populist policies in the rural areas with anti-working class neoliberal policies. Key elements within the military and the royal family eventually fell out with the previous Thaksin-led government, beginning to see his mass support as a threat to their power influence. Populist policies have included economic grants to villages (used for microcredit loans) and the 30 baht health scheme. Such populist policies were combined with corporatisation and selling off of state assets and an opening up of the Thai economy to imperialist corporate interests. The Thaksin-led government gave strong support for US foreign policy in the hope of gaining a United States-Thailand Free Trade Agreement. The anti-working class nature of the TRT government was highlighted by the mass strike of 200,000 electrical sector workers throughout 2004 against electricity privatisation.

What is the way ahead for the working class and rural poor in Thailand?

What is the way ahead for the working class and rural poor in Thailand? Giles Ji Ungpakorn has made some sound critiques of Maoist views of class struggle in Thailand. The Maoists were once a mass force in Thailand, basing themselves predominantly in the rural North East during the 1970s and 1980s. During this time they carried out an orthodox Maoist ‘people’s war. As with the Nepalese Maoists, former Thai Communist Party (CPT) members have given up the bullet for the ballot and aim to reform Thai society through utilisation of the Thai capitalist state.

Many former CPT comrades were co-opted by Thaksin, seeing TRT as representing a section of the ‘progressive’ bourgeoisie. Like the Nepalese Maoist’s view of Nepal, former CPT members active in TRT/PPP see the most significant divide in Thailand as one between ‘feudalist and traditional forces’ and ‘progressive forces’ including the new capitalist elite, the working class and rural poor. In a similar way to neo-Maoist forces in other parts of Asia, they wish to develop capitalism in Thailand in a ‘progressive form’, against some phantom feudal elite.

Giles has made succinct critiques of this two-stage revolution approach, and rightly points out the all elements of the Thai elite represent different interests of the Thai capitalistic class. Even the royal family has major business interests, and certainly much of its new wealth is based on capitalist accumulation. (See From the city, via the jungle, to defeat: the 6th Oct 1976 bloodbath and the C.P.T.))

The working class in Thailand has shown it can be a powerful force, such as with the above mentioned mass mobilisation of 200,000 workers against electricity privatisation. In the current crisis, the Thai working class has not yet shown itself to be an independent force. Some corrupt state sector union bosses have called for strikes in support of the reactionary PAD, but to my knowledge these calls have not been met with any significant action or support by public-sector workers.

The Maoist two stage rural based strategy of social change in Thailand has failed. The neo-Maoist model, now being implemented in Nepal, of taking hold of the capitalist state and using it to develop capitalism in some ‘progressive’ form is not one that would benefit Thailand’s poor masses. Capitalism has long passed its progressive phase, and the international crisis highlights capitalism’s use by date. Can a bunch of Mao-loving leftists somehow run and develop capitalism any better than current representatives of a capitalist ruling class?

The Thai working class is a mass force that has yet to roar. However, the hope for an escape from this country’s woes lay in a party that can organise and lead this class to taking state power.

Comments

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Check libcom for articles on Rail & clothing Unions strikes. PAD needs stopping its into unelected oligarchies& dictators like marxists,PPP isnt revolutionary, but there are more progressive parts of the PPP. Thailand needs a red,green& black party that supports unions,cooperatives, the environent& (direct democracy,anarchy).
Progressive members of PPP should join with true democratic socialists,greens & libertarians with backing of unions & cooperatives which globally are v.powerful.
Sod prolarian dictatorships,its a shame that world IMC seems to keep articles like this up, whilst censoring informed ones from university researchers on the Trilateral-Bilderbergs links& power over G8-G20.
Other IMC UK-World article on hostages taken by PAD& disappearance of wikipedia page on PPP,possibly because someone at Nottingham IMC didnt bother reading that it was v.relevant to Nottingham as residents from area were being held hostage at Bangkock airport!!!
http://libcom.org/tags/thailand
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/11/413422.html
http://www.protectthehuman.com/bookmarks/thailand-s-grievances-can-be-so...

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John,
Thanks for this analysis. I agree with the main thrust.
Not sure what the "bullet" means in Thailand at present. Is there an active armed struggle?
Will check out the PCP
Dave Brown

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Its more annoying for me than anyone that my comment unintentionally came out so many times, I only submitted it twice after 1st time it didnt appear.
Marxs critique of capitalism , is more easily summed up with relevant solutions by the scientist Kroptokin in the Conquest of Bread. Bakunin & Bookchin also have better solutions to capitalism, they actually believe in the workers & democracy. Marx didnt believe in people, he is antidemocratic & elitist, marxism is blindly religious& authoritarian, anarchism is scientific & democratic with a vhealthy respect for nature.
http://libcom.org/library/the-conquest-of-bread-peter-kropotkin
Yes there need to be top people in engineering & other sectors naturally, but politically democracy& preferably direct democracy not the corporate one we have today is far better than dictatorship.In direct democracy returnable delegates& reps can be used, dictatorship is never the answer.
Read Libcoms in depth article on historical struggle in Thailand.
With some democracy in thailand more democracy can be put forward,stop PAD, democracy turns bullets around.Small armed struggles can be noble, but what is a small armed marxist struggle really for?.
Marxists usually mention Kropotkins support of allies in world war1 as the Kaiser had armed & invaded1st, by far the majority of anarchists opposed the war. Lenin a criticic of Kropotkin for taking sides took the kaisers gold & train in order to seize power in Russia with favours for the German empire.He was then suprised when they demanded& took Finland, the Baltic provinces, parts of Poland and Ukraine to the Central Powers,more potential democracies Lenin gave the Kaiser without a fight.
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Reguards the phrase you must give up the ballot or the bullet. This is not the case. What the deep and profound Vietnamese Liberation From illegal foreign occupation proved to the world is you must use every and all contradictions to remove the local stooge reactionary militarists, as well as their foreign Imperialist boss military occupyers. Ballot, bullet, economics, politics, cultural, and religios are then tools that the peoples use to cause their all sided liberation from oppression.

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Huh it's the 'Crisps', 'da bloods', and now 'the bullet'! Wow Thailand

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From a more reliable source, it appears the colour Yellow is worn by the King's followers and Red by the emerging People Alliance for Democracy. It is the king who has ruled over the people and the source of social stability. In the late years of his reign, his son may not hold the same status and charisma, is taken advantage of by political opportunists in the so-called People Alliance for Democracy. It reminds me of the transition in Tonga from the monarch's rule to Democratic government.

It is the likely challenge of a socialist rule or monarch by class struggles in the attempt to standardise or internationalise capitalism. It shouldn't be a violent transition when the process is an electoral and legal one.
So, I'm calling the Thais to be smart about it, and don't try to be heroes in a peaceful transition.

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I see that now the Workers Party oppose Maoists in Thailand, yet support them in Nepal and the Philippines.
How does this work

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The Workers Party doesn't "support" or oppose "the Maoists in Thailand". The party makes a general point of being in solidarity with revolutionary movements but tries not to determine what is best for people in other countries. While we have comradely relations with revolutionaries, both Maoist and non-Maoist in various parts of the world, we feel that is for the people of those countries to decide how to achieve their liberation. The WP is attempting to develop a Marxism for New Zealand that moves beyond the old "brands" and labels that have haunted the left in the past. I, for example, am not and never have been a Maoist, yet I work in a comradely way with the more pro-Mao members of the party. In the case of this article, the writer, who has more contact with Thailand than any other member of the party, has a view that is more closely aligned to Trotskyism and his article reflects that. In that respect, the views are his own and are not entirely accepted by everyone in the party. We're trying to build a non-dogmatic movement that can learn from, and even celebrate, the achievements of Marxists from different traditions and as long as we see them bringing revolutionary advances for the working people and the poor and oppressed of those countries, we'll recognise and try to learn from that. Gone are the days, we hope, of the kind of inane sectarianism that dogged the left in the past. That's one of our key objectives anyway.

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The last comment was from me. Even though I had signed in, it somehow appeared as an anonymous comment.
Cheers,
John Edmundson

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Jared Says:
December 7, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Just to refine a point that Alistair made - I think John Moore is the *only* party member with this approach to Nepal and the CPN(M). I don’t think the article should have been posted on this website. The article would never have made it through The Spark editorial board.
In my view, it was entirely sloppy that this article was posted. This is a breach not only of the level of democratic centralism we have reached, but of of democratic practice in general becasue there was no discussion before the CPN(M) was attacked publicly.
I think Alistair is slighlty light in his post. Party members do not have the rigth to publicly bash genuine liberation movements without having *advanced* and *detailed* discussions first.
John’s opinion does not have equal weight with the general consensus in the party about the develoments in Nepal.
The truth is that individuals in the party, and the party itself, have spent thousands of dollars and put considerable energies into trying to deepen the understanding of party members and the NZ public with regard to the process in Nepal.
Of course there will be internal discussions around this but I had to publicly register the disgust that many of us feel over the publicaiton of this article.
Jared.

Dear Chairman Jared

Dear Chairman Jared

I've been a follower of your great and wise utterances for a while now. While expressing full solidarity I'd like to ask for a clarification on the great march forward. In your recent public letter to Socialist Aotearoa you state the following on Nepal and Maoism, suggesting that your organisation has no party line and that public debate and differences on this are fine: 'Questions of orientation to Maoist peoples' movements in Nepal, Philippines, and India (on which the Workers Party has no internally hegemonic perspective, but carries out open and public internal debate)'

What has changed? Or have you changed?

Please lead the way forward and enlighten us about this contradiction.

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Dear Chairman Jared

I applaud your abolition of the Workers Party constitution. Judging on your directives above, you have managed to get rid of the following section. Well done!

WPNZ consitution:

-(iii) Members are free to publicly express any political view, so long as it is not in contradiction with the aims set out in section (1).

Section 1:

1. Aims

(i) Opposition to all NZ and Western imperialist intervention in the Third World and all Western imperialist alliances.

(ii) Secure jobs for all, with a living wage and a shorter working week.

(iii) For the unrestricted right of workers to organise and take industrial action and no limits on freedom of speech and activity.

(iv) For working class unity and solidarity - equality for women, Maori and other ethnic minorities and people of all sexual orientations and identities; open borders and full rights for migrant workers.

(v) For a working peoples' republic

Long live the great leader!

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It is with some reluctance that I reply to a anonymous sarcastic poster with time on his hands. However, for those who may have been set wondering, I believe the article in its present form, is in contradiction with the development of working class unity and solidarity. That development can never grow out of disrespect and sectarian attitudes.

I can confirm that Jared is correct when he says the article above would not have passed the Spark editorial board.

As coordinating editor I would have entered into discussion with the author about parts of it , such as the passage below.

"The Maoist two stage rural based strategy of social change in Thailand has failed. The neo-Maoist model, now being implemented in Nepal, of taking hold of the capitalist state and using it to develop capitalism in some ‘progressive’ form is not one that would benefit Thailand’s poor masses. Capitalism has long passed its progressive phase, and the international crisis highlights capitalism’s use by date. Can a bunch of Mao-loving leftists somehow run and develop capitalism any better than current representatives of a capitalist ruling class?"

This completely unsubstantiated assertion is an inaccurate and slighting comment on the momentous revolutionary events in Nepal.
Also, the tone of that paragraph is in the old style of sectarian territory defence and runs counter to the culture of the Worker's Party.

John Edmundson put it well when he wrote:

"We're trying to build a non-dogmatic movement that can learn from, and even celebrate, the achievements of Marxists from different traditions and as long as we see them bringing revolutionary advances for the working people and the poor and oppressed of those countries, we'll recognise and try to learn from that. Gone are the days, we hope, of the kind of inane sectarianism that dogged the left in the past. That's one of our key objectives anyway."

As a previous participant in sterile sectarian slanging matches I'm finally aware of how utterly unproductive they are. I regret the time I've wasted in that fashion. That's why I try and struggle against a return to those days.

Don Franks

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Just to note, I didn't post that resposne of mine here on indymedia, someone else did. Jared pHillips.

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Someone said:

"I've been a follower of your great and wise utterances for a while now. While expressing full solidarity I'd like to ask for a clarification on the great march forward. In your recent public letter to Socialist Aotearoa you state the following on Nepal and Maoism, suggesting that your organisation has no party line and that public debate and differences on this are fine: 'Questions of orientation to Maoist peoples' movements in Nepal, Philippines, and India (on which the Workers Party has no internally hegemonic perspective, but carries out open and public internal debate)'

What has changed? Or have you changed?"

My Reply:

The article in question, above, has not been subject to any debate. It was scathing about the revolutionayr process in Nepal. The only Nepal article published on SA blog kept a fairly open perspective, which is good.

Jared.

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About the 'M-L JP' comment.. well I just spent a week as a supporter of a very non M-L campaign.

About my 'great utterances', why dont me and you just have a public debate?

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I find it strange there has been such a big fuss regarding my article by some Workers Party comrades. I'm disappointed that Don feels the need to publicly state that my article will not be published in a future Spark. I find it equally strange that he would take such a censoring approach! Why are some comrades rejecting their own supposed approach of openness, etc.

I realise this isn't the ideal forum for this kind of discussion, but I obviously need to reply to the public critiques of my article made by Jared, Don and others.

Below is a reply I posted on the Spark public discussion list in response to some comrades' public critiques of my article:

I have met Thai Marxist Giles Ji Ungpakorn and had conversations with him on revolutionary strategies in Thailand. He certainly sees the question of Maoism as a vital one to discuss in relation to the tasks of building a new revolutionary movement in Thailand. In fact, the first copy of his group’s paper he gave me had a leading article critiquing Maoist two stage strategies of revolution, and reflecting on the failures of the Communist Party of Thailand (CPT). Were Giles and his comrades being ‘sectarian’ in discussing such matters?

Any serious discussion on class politics in Thailand must address the failures of the Maoist CPT. Throughout the 1970s and 80s they were the dominant force on the left. Their two stage approach to social change continues to influence thinking on the Thai left. The CPT saw the struggle in the 70s and 80s as one centred on essentially reforming Thai capitalism. They neglected the Thai proletariat as a significant agent of change, and they aimed to form an alliance with a phantom ‘progressive’ section of the Thai bourgeois, As I have already pointed out, an element of ex-CPT had formed an alliance with billionaire Thai populist politician Thaksin Shinawatra. These reconstructed Maoists would claim this alliance with the ‘progressive’ capitalist Thaksin has allowed them to push forward substantial benefits for the Thai poor. So a examination of Maoist though in Thailand is not just a historical question.

If I was to take a ‘non-sectarian approach’, cut out any refernce to Maoism in my analysis of Thailand, I would be acting to paint a false picture of the current ideological struggles that go on amongst the Thai left.

To discuss class struggle in South East Asian, and the prospects of social transformation there, and to refer to Nepal is certainly valid. Alistair argued in his article, Nepal A Revolution in Progress, that, ‘a communist revolution is unfolding in Nepal’. The Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) is offering one model for social change for the working class and poor in Asia. There are clear parallels with the strategies of the Nepalese Maoists and those of the Thai ex-CPT members who have been aligned with the populist Thai Rak Thai party and the just recently outlawed Peoples Power Party. Both do not see socialism on the agenda in their individual countries, both wish to manage and ‘progress’ capitalism in the interests of the poor, and both see the main ‘contradiction’ as one between ‘feudalist and traditional forces’ opposed to ‘progressive forces’ including elements of the native capitalist elite, the working class and rural poor. It’s certainly not being snippy, to raise such points. Thai friends and family of mine certainly don’t see problems in their country as existing in some vacuum with no relation to the outside world. Thais who support a range of programmes for social change inevitable discuss other countries and outside political movements. My article aimed to respect such an approach. Thai politics must be discussed in the context of the clash of ideas, programmes and perspectives that are being carried out amongst Thais themselves.

I certainly welcome the discussion that my article has sparked. I’m not a sensitive type, so I appreciate the alterative views that have been aired. Thank god no comrades have taken a touchy-feely approach and seen the need to firstly discuss with me personally any differences they have with my analysis, then engage in some prolonged internal debate, before raising differences publicly. ;)

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I would highly recommend a number of key texts by Giles Ji Ungpakorn for anyone wanting to get to grips with Thai politics.

1. For a discussion of the Thai monarchy see:
http://www.pcpthai.org/autopagev3/fileupload/SatJanuary2008-0-2-42.pdf

Giles gives a convincing argument that Thailand can no longer be regarded as having a Sakdina (feudal) system and that the monarchy is in fact a weak institution.

2. For a convincing, Trotskyist influenced, critique of the now dissolved Thai Communist Party (CPT) see:
http://data3.blog.de/media/661/2347661_35e0d731fd_d.pdf

A number of ex-CPT members have been influential in the populist Peoples Power Party, which has just been outlawed. These former CPT members believe that there is a 'progressive' element of the Thai capitalist class that workers and the rural poor should unite with. Giles argues convincingly against this point of view.

3. For an excellent run-down on the Thai labour movent (up till the late 90s) see:
http://data5.blog.de/media/144/2537144_695bb36fe8_d.pdf

Here Giles argues that the Thai working class should be viewed as the most important agent of social change in Thailand.

4. For a discussion on the left and workers movement in Thailand now see:
hhttp://www.pcpthai.org/autopagev3/show_page.php?group_id=1&auto_id=37&topic_id=75&topic_no=2&page=1&gaction=on

Giles Ji Ungpakorn's articles in English can be found at two sites:
1.
http://wdpress.blog.co.uk/
2. http://www.pcpthai.org/autopagev3/show_all.php?group_id=1&auto_id=37

John Moore

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Sorry, the link for a discussion on the left and workers movement in Thailand now should be:
http://www.pcpthai.org/autopagev3/show_page.php?group_id=1&auto_id=3...