Police anti-terror squad spies on protest groups

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POLICE TEAMS set up to identify terrorism threats and risks to national security are spying on protest and community groups, including Greenpeace, animal rights and climate change campaigners, and Iraq war protesters.

Police officers from the Special Investigation Group (SIG) have carried out surveillance and used a paid informer to gather information not just about planned protests but the personal lives and sexual relationships of group members.

The police informer, Christchurch man Rob Gilchrist, whose activities are revealed in today's Sunday Star-Times, was a key member of various community groups during the past decade.

He helped arrange protests and was close friends with leading campaigners, and advocated radical and illegal activities by the groups.

Last week he said he was embarrassed and sorry for what he did. The people he spied on were not security threats. "I know they are good people trying to make a better world."

Wellington human rights lawyer Michael Bott said the surveillance of peaceful groups was repugnant and "has shades of Big Brother and Soviet Russia". Surveillance of the personal lives of members of peaceful groups meant the basic right to privacy was being eroded. "It just appears fundamentally abusive and wrong."

Gilchrist was unmasked recently when his animal rights and Labour Party activist girlfriend Rochelle Rees was helping him fix his computer. She stumbled across signs of him passing information about protest groups to an anonymous email address.

This address has since been traced to two SIG officers based at the Christchurch central police station, Detective Peter Gilroy and Detective Sergeant John Sjoberg. Gilchrist privately referred to them as "Uncle Pete" and "Uncle John".

Melbourne newspaper The Age reported a similar case three months ago, where an undercover police officer had infiltrated community groups. He worked in Animal Liberation Victoria, taking part in a midnight raid on a battery hen farm, and helped organise anti-Iraq war demonstrations.

He worked for Australia's similarly named Security Intelligence Group, which is also officially focused on terrorism.

Auckland human rights lawyer Tim McBride said the surveillance was "outrageous in a country that goes off to the United Nations and prattles on about our proud human rights record".

Greenpeace campaign director Carmen Gravatt said the surveillance was "totally unnecessary in a country like New Zealand. It undermines the openness of groups, it undermines the relationships within the groups and it undermines the relationships they have with the police".

Mark Eden, of the Wellington Animal Rights Network, said it was outrageous to consider that the network's campaign against battery hen farming was terrorism and that the group was somehow like al Qaeda.

"We have gone in and filmed the farms and discovered the cruelty. But instead of doing the democratic thing and stopping it, which is what the public want, they have responded by sending in the secret police. That's the most shocking thing about it."

Police national crime manager Detective Superintendent Win Van Der Velde said the police "will neither confirm nor deny the identity or existence of any informant within any group". Police operated paid informants for gathering intelligence about criminal activity.

Police Minister Judith Collins said: "This government wants to ensure [the police] have the tools and the support they need to keep the public safe.

"From time to time it may be necessary to use paid informants. I think most New Zealanders would find it reassuring that the police are out there keeping a watch on the whole community. That's what they're there for.

"I trust the police to exercise sound judgement and professionalism when deciding where and when to use paid informants."

Opposition leader Phil Goff, who as justice minister helped set up the SIG, said he would want to know why anyone employed to look after counter-terrorism and national security would focus on Greenpeace.

Greenpeace had a history of non-violent protest which was "perfectly legitimate in our society".

Goff said that as minister he had no knowledge of the SIG's operational details. "That's not something that comes across the minister's desk."

Announcing the SIG teams in 2004, Goff said they were to boost New Zealand's counter-terrorism capacity. The teams would work under the Strategic Intelligence Unit, which officials had recommended following the September 11 attacks to "focus on terrorism and transnational activity such as people-smuggling, identity fraud and money laundering".

There are now SIG teams in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch that, according to the police 2006 Statement of Intent, "are dedicated to the investigation of national security-related crime including terrorism".

SIG documents obtained by the Sunday Star-Times reveal that in 2007:

* SIG officers requested details about the personal lives and sexual relationships of members of animal rights groups.

* An SIG officer asked Gilchrist in writing for information about "anti-war/anti-American groups", climate change groups in Auckland and names of any campaigners travelling to protest at Apec and vivisection conferences in Australia.

The Star-Times reported last year that Auckland private investigators Thompson and Clark had hired students to spy on most of the same protest groups. Many groups were being infiltrated simultaneously by both private investigator and police spies.

Thompson and Clark tried to recruit Gilchrist in April this year to spy for them as well. Gilchrist says he was by then increasingly unhappy about his police informer role and refused. He told the story of that recruitment attempt to the Star-Times, but did not, at that time, reveal the full extent of his double life.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4792248a6005.html

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For fucks sake.

Your SORRY??

You have to be kidding?

You took the cash offered and didnt give a fuck about us all. To say you feel bad is total crap. I have known you for many years Rob and knew you didn't fit from day one. But everyone else wanted to believe you were "heaven sent". If you were not caught out by your friend you would still be taking to governments cash.

For myself mate I am pleased you have been stopped. And there is about to be a trial. There will be others like you and in fact there are others like you.

Gess Rob...your an arse hole. Sorry mate no amount of sorrys will help. There is a person who picked you out from day one, from the very 1st time he saw you. He is no longer with us now. We weren't sure but he was sure you were a spy. Well done to that man. I am sure he is having a little chuckle to himself.

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Rob's going to have to find a real job, now that he's not getting that $600 a week.. Awwww!

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this is a guy that took great pleasure in spreading false rumors that good activists were police informants. what a fucking scum bag.

YOUR A PIECE OF SHIT ROB.

the damage you've done to good activists and the damage you've done to social justice movements (especially animal rights)is unforgivable. aside from the fact that you've been informing for the last ten years, the shit you've done in general is so completely fucked.

your a fucking piece of scum Rob and you better hope I don't ever see your face again.

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never did trust that fucking slimy fuckwit!

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Shame rob I hope you die in a gutter

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God damn it. How on earth do you even look at yourself in the mirror after lying to us all for so many years?

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"Gilchrist says he was by then increasingly unhappy about his police informer role and refused. He told the story of that recruitment attempt to the Star-Times, but did not, at that time, reveal the full extent of his double life."

Absolute bullshit. He revealed the Thompson and Clark investigation to throw attention away from himself. It's a classic bait and switch technique used in social engineering - if you're a spy, you reveal another, and thus secure your place.

I was hell suspicious of him when I read that article earlier this year, but since so many years had gone by at that stage I scratched my head and thought, 'that can't be true'.

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Rob, what a fitting name for someone people trusted and then stole from us.

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Rob all I can say is that you got what you deserved you fucking scum bag.

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Well, I guess you're off the xmas card list for this year.

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aka -=Balaclava=-
aka ZeroAlpha (head of Armed Offenders Squad)

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"aka ZeroAlpha (head of Armed Offenders Squad) "

You're saying he's AOS?

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No, that was a nickname he used.

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Robert Steven Gilchrist
1 / 81 Osbourne Street, Christchurch
027 2436375

I'm sure Rob would like to hear from you all personally.

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Come on, really? That's a bit pathetic. I was relatively close friends with Rob for several years, and yeah this sucks arse, but there's no point in revenge. Its a waste of our time that could be better spent focussing on any number of other things.

edit - seems like the comment I was responding to has been hidden. never mind.

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In Soviet Aotearoa, balaclava spies on YOU!

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I hope Rob wasnt on the dole, cause $600 a week is a bit more than the allowed extra income.

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Hey Rob.

Fuck you asshole. I stood up for you when you where first accused, and you didn't even bother hinting that I was putting my neck on the line with my new zealand friends by standing up for you.

You sold everyone out asshole, and worst of all you sold out people who actually cared about you , or at least the "Rob" whos story we learned about.

So what has this gained you. Your whole life was the people you where setting about destroying. The NZ left. And now you've lost them all. Your old freinds, your girl, your old life. You've probably lost your job too, because you aint got nothing now. New zealand is a tiny little country, and you'll always be recognised as the fucking asshole who sold out his mates.

Congratulations Rob! Your now persona non grata.

I would never have sold you out, and on your shared sins, I still wont. But you sold us out. I hope you can live with betraying people that cared about you, man.

-You know who, from Perth.

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his current email addresses shoudl be removed from any and all email lists
his known current email addresses
balaclava@xtra.co.nz
zeroalpha@xtra.co.nz
anarchist@xtra.co.nz

he runs a website: www.nzscanners.org.nz

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He also runs the NZActivism email list.

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Hint: using google groups or similar offshore services is simply playing into the hands of foreign and domestic intelligence agencies.

Using the net at all is insecure.

There is an old maxim in communications law going back decades: if it can't be monitored it's not allowed.

Most politically active people are fairly scrupulously law abiding.

Those that aren't should probably avoid the net altogether unless they control their own servers and use only encrypted connections. I don't understand that shit so I don't trust it either, but then I avoid breaking the law anyway.

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Publicise the NZ Scanners thing. I'm sure that people would feel uncomfortable knowing that their website is being run by a paid police informant - possibly as an intelligence gathering exercise.

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To:
Scanning NZ and the World <Nzscanners@nzscanners.org.nz>
Date:
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PLEASE, DO NOT, post the locations of ANY government (Police or otherwise)
repeaters on this (or any NZScanners) list.

If you want to get the details, then post them around OFF list. I have no
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The Police would like to keep the location of their repeaters confidential
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Unfortunately, Not all members of NZScanners are / would be legitimate
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criminal element amongst our members (just like in general society), which
could possibly use this type of information for illegal activity.

While we have a 'understanding' with the NZ Police, its important that we
retain that relationship. We respectfully ask that such details are not
posted to the NZScanners email lists, or for that matter that you have such
information.

IF anyone wishes to clarify the acceptability of content of an email they
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ensuring that we ummmm, lets just say, continue with current relationships.

Hope that is ok with those who count.

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correspondence ON LIST about this email. (That's a hint there guys - take
it)

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Why are you nerds singling out these websites? Y'all got somethin' to hide?????????
I'd say so.....

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Wonder how much this case had to do with all the in-fighting that's been going on recently. It seems Rob's taskmasters were taking an interest in people's sexual relationships and factions.

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I fucking told you he was a prick and shouldn't be trusted - he was ex-army for fuck's sake! God you people are so gulliable. You haven't got a bloody idea have you?

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I'm ex-army as well, I can name at least three other anarchists in this country who are ex armed services. I got a feeling you're the one without an idea

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He wasn't ex-army, anyway - he lied about that.

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Just like he lied about having Parkinson's. Just like he lied about being busy and not making it to demos. Just like he lied about what happened at the GE protest in Rotorua. (Did you lie about your blood cot that sent you to hospital that day too Rob?). Just like he lied about not touching some kids and now they find child porn on his computer!

Nicky - you have no idea what you're dealing with.

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Boy for someone who thinks they know everything on Rob, you are sure badly misinformed! Rob IS ex-army and well trained with it. The army is where I met him in the first place - go get your facts straight before you post more drivel.

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Contrary to the SST, 3 News claimed he'd described the allegations as "pure fabirication".

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Shows his SST claims that he was sorry and that he'd begun apologising to be a total crock of shit.

At least if he'd owned up and come clean, he could've maintained a fraction of dignity and self-respect.

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This is really upsetting. Its sometimes hard to catch out police spies. I remember a couple who approached us at a pub after a May day rally many years, covered with Lenin badges and asking random questions. Sniffed them out immediately.
I hope no one gets hurt out of this - and I dont mean Rob.

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Its more than upsetting, its heartbreaking. Some of us really cared for the guy, so this is just hurtful.

God I know I owe some people appologies for losing my shit at them when I first heard this allegation.

Fuck you rob.

- perth person.

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Actually, my name is Rob D Gilchrist. Dickhead is my middle name yeah babay yeah! I put the "Cock" in "Souless PigShit CockSucker" baby, yeah!

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It's strange that an organisation many of whose members are trained and regularly use force should spend so much time and money spying on good peaceful people just in case they should do exactly what ?

It's strange that a cop here can chase a car driven by a paralytic drunk who's identity is known at 160kmh on the wrong side of State Highway One on a Friday night into the path of an oncoming car maiming two innocent women and absolutely nothing happens.

It's strange that a real Christchurch anarchist should die in his bed following a premature discharge from hospital and absolutely nothing happens.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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The cylons look like us now.

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Your weasel pigshit, Rob-don't ever cross my path

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Nark is the word
Scab is another

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What the SIG seems to be is a carbon-copy of the German Governments 'Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution' or Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz.

Their mission is to apparently monitor extremists and paramilitary groups that pose a potential threat to Germany's national interests. Even though extensive intelligence resources have been devoted to monitoring and destroying Neo-Nazi groups that are banned under German law, since Sept 12 2001 terror attacks in the US, Verfassungsschutz have gained themselves a serious obsession with leftest activist groups.

Verfassungsschutz main tasks have been bugging, infiltration and collecting publications of various groups. In fact one of the groups targetted by Verfassungsschutz is Indymedia.

But mostly they spend their time targetting left wing political parties.

How does that compare to NZ, well we dont have any left wing political parties of any substance other than the Greens. This country also has an Indymedia, Maori activists and tribes seeking autonomy, Animal Rights campaigners, environmental campaigners and some fractured factionalised socialist groups.

So it comes as no big surprise that the NZ Special Investigation Group although tasked with tracking links between overseas terrorist groups and their supporters in this country, has in fact mirrored the exact tactics and focusses of the nationalist fascist Verfassungsschutz and HAS gone after the groups mentioned, has, and is currently monitoring the activities of these groups.

According to a friend of mine who was privvy to the 50 plus thousand pages of garbage collated by the SIG in operation 8, they used that operation to investigate every left leaning organisation in this country. Even Kohanga Reo.

This S.I.G group represents the face of fascism and activists must respond to this threat to our civil and human rights that are being abused and stripped away by this group.

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For a non activist opinion on Gilcrist, the blog of Kiwi Biker has some interesting comments: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1849761

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Operation 8 is just one of several constructed operations being conducted on the activities of left leaning activists.

It is time to put naivities aside and take action to sure up security and to acknowledge that the days of relatively safe overt activism and safety of being a member of an activist group are being brought to a close in this country by fascist nationalistic intelligence groups like the SIG.

They have extended their powers of spying by painting us as potential terrorists and using that image to seek further interception abilities, and powers to 'name' groups as terrorist in nature.

The institution of the police have stepped over a line where there is no going back from.

Activist communities need to wake up and see the new reality created by these fearful state puppets, and make wholesale changes to security to meet that challenge and mitigate the risk created by these Special Investigation Group type state sponsored stazi police.

To continue along the same path as we are now is to live in an illusion and is unsafe for anyone living in that illusion.

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Mr. Gilchrist is simply the latest pawn of the New Zealand police state, playing it's part in the United States led War of Terror.

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Well if there are 3 ex-army anarchists in this country, that is three more narks we should be watching. I don''t accept anyone who is happy to learn how to kill civilians canbe trusted in the movement - root them out!

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"I don''t accept anyone who is happy to learn how to kill civilians canbe trusted in the movement"

You're kidding, right? If that's going to be your line, you might as well kick out anyone that's ever learnt a martial art for any decent period of time, or anyone that did boxing at high school, etc etc

Besides which, in most (if not all) major revolutionary movements, a large part of the army has sided with the revolutionary class, as is needed for revolutions to avoid being crushed by overwhelming force. Not to mention that generally the rank and file of the army is drawn from those who are amongst the most downtrodden in society.

Check out some articles on military resistance while you're at it - http://libcom.org/library/mutinies-dave-lamb-solidarity or http://libcom.org/history/vietnam-gi-resistance are good starts.

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Asher, have you heard of conscription? And people who have taken self-defence classes generally haven't agreed to kill for the state.

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http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4496489/Sir__No_Sir__(2005)

Sir! No Sir! is a 2005 Displaced Films/BBC documentary film about the anti-war movement within the ranks of the United States Military during the Vietnam War. This included the surprisingly common practise of fragging officers (killing them with grenades). Tens of thousands of soldiers were involved in the movement which was intentionally covered up by the US government and world media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir!_No_Sir!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469589/

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Contrary to what you believe, members of the armed forces are not "happy to learn" or trained to kill civilians. I've talked to quite a few current and former members of the armed forces - from an East Timor combat veteran to an IDF refusenik - and they have all had to deal with moral issues of their situations in their own ways. I suggest you re-examine your bigoted outlook.

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An IDF refusenik would be by definition someone who *refused* to take part in the army. Soldiers are murderers.

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"An IDF refusenik would be by definition someone who *refused* to take part in the army. Soldiers are murderers."

Wrong, some of those guys are conscripted and quit service some time after becoming soldiers. Or "murderers" as your blinkered world-view would have it - evidently every soldier has to kill someone before completing basic..

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He won't need to get a job because he is on a benefit for damage he did to his back when he was killing Iraqi's during Gulf War in the SAS.

Thing is Mark Eden knew Gilcrist had been in the SAS for years and told nobody.

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"He won't need to get a job because he is on a benefit for damage he did to his back when he was killing Iraqi's during Gulf War in the SAS."

- The SST article clearly covers this - he was never in the NZ Army despite the different stories he told people. He may have been in the territorials.

- John A.

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the SIG was set up under a Labour govt.... why do so many fools continue to support this party?

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The SIG were formed after a long line of increased police lust for power. It began back in the 70s when they began to assume the roles of anti-terrorism that were the responsibility of the NZ Army/SAS.

This lead to the formation of Armed Offender Squads, then Special Tactical Group squads which were elite units hand picked from AOS units.

To add to that they also started to run their own intelligence operations and did very badly at it, and have never ever did well at it due to their lack of training and previous police criminal investigation backgrounds to most intelligence officers.

They also took over the roles of anti-terror squads from the SAS in the 80s.

By the 90s the police had set up their own police intelligence section and assumed many of the operations that would have went to other government intelligence depts.

Then came the E-Crimes unit, threat assessment unit and finally units like the Special Investigation Group.

To tie them all together with a little big of cohesian, the Combined Threat Assessment Group was formed.

This ongoing development and assumption of powers over NZ citizens began a long time ago and has stretched through many Governments.

To be fair on the National Government, they have payed the least attention to the reports produced by the likes of SIG type units, Bolger himself, while being a middle right plonker, was famous for binning fear-mongering reports from such agencies.

The police intelligence groups have never been any good at intelligence gathering and intelligence operations.

They are seen by every other intelligence gathering groups like the military ones as rank amateurs so its no surprise that they are using such amateuristic techniques as seen in this latest expose.

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yes amatuerish ,the likes of your AR groups have pulled off some good actions/liberations over the last 10 years ,so thankfully he was maybe lax about it ,the situation here in the UK is getting worse and worse in regards to state oppression against dissent but we keep plugging away .
You guys have the RIGHT to protest keep using it !

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Verfassungsschutz is a good description of the police Special Investigation Group. They are identical in every way including the missuse of their powers of investigation.

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Holy Loudon Bush Fool, what does it take these days to get a Indy Feature?

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Unfortunately, there's no original writing to feature at this point.

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Why doesn't one of the editors write a little blurb? I'm sure there are enough of them to do it.

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Lol this comment is bloody brilliant, made my morning.

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I think the anger here is well founded but mis-directed. We can swear at Rob all we like but it's never going to change the fact that the state will always be interested in groups or individuals that challenge the system. This anger could be directed into nation-wide protest, which would be far more effective than calling Rob names.

I also have hesitations about people's comments, saying that he 'didn't fit'. Who does? What does one have to be like to fit into challenging the status quo? If we suspect people on the grounds of being different than ourselves then protest will never become a mass, inclusive movement, but a group of similar friends and look-a-likes. The state would then be successful in its task of keeping these groups isolated from mainstream discourse.

We need to realise that this kind of tactic is now part and parcel of protest activity and come to grips with it. And it doesn't mean retreating into our ghettos, but growing to work with more and more people as publicly and transparently as possible. This may not always work when direct action is involved, but we cannot let distrust ruin the seeds of mass, inclusive social change.

Cheers
Jared D

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That's not to say there aren't a couple decent indicators of 'not fitting' which don't play into mere (sub)cultural norms.

One of the better ones that fits with Rob and also with others in overseas police infiltrations is that these people tend not to talk deeply about politics, tend not to talk theory, tend not to talk of utopian aspirations. Instead, they tend to talk simply of direct action and 'Fucking Shit Up.'

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For whatever its worth, and I agree that by and large you made a good point, I did actually have a number of discussions with Rob where he talked about political theory, utopian aspirations etc...

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I'm ex-Army also, all the Int Geeks read Chomsky. After 9/11 everyone was reading Chomsky &amp; everyone was against the invasion of Iraq &amp; believed the UN when they said there were no WMDs (cause he used them on the Kurds already).
Another timely reminder the cops are fools and pervs.

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Jared D, I think some anger at Rob is definitely justified. This is a guy who spread rumours for 3 years that someone was a police informant, actively tried to sabotage a number of important actions and has generally been a dick for as long as I can remember. This bullshit about the police using him isnt correct. Rob digs all the skullduggery and gossipy shit he can get into and far too many people have played into his and the police's hands in this regard.

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I agree its justified, and I'm not defending him at all, I'd just hate to see name calling as the only action we revert to in these kinds of situations.

Jared D

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I think the point is, if you want to kick him in the balls or dong him on the head, you should just do so and not advertise your intentions on indymedia.

George Rangiaho
Ngati Rongo

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The sst article raises another question as to why it was Gilchrist who was approached by thompson &amp; clark to spy on the save happy valley campaign for the corporates. The only answer I can think of to this is that the police have given the name of their infiltrator (Gilchrist) to this private investigation company. If this is true it raises a further question of what other information about activist groups the police are sharing with the corporates.

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Informant identities are closely held within the police. Often only one or two (at the outside) people will know the identity of an informant.

So that doesn't stack up.

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Gilchrist lied about the whole thomsuck and fuck thing.

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Gavin Clark stated at the time (on National Radio) that:

Rob has been an informant for "other agencies" for ("over" I think) "10 years", that "I know it, Rob knows it, and he confirmed it to me".

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Better work stories.

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Operation 8 and now this - where's that guy who claimed Helen Clark's government wasn't Stalinist?

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"Operation 8 and now this - where's that guy who claimed Helen Clark's government wasn't Stalinist?" Helen Clark's government wasn't Stalinist... Sure the police in New Zealand have been given too much power, but all this is a storm in a tea cup when compared with the tens of millions that were murdered, tortured and 'disappeared' under Stalin's nearly fifty year long dictatorship. Borat you are a political twit and if you write more rubbish like the above comment, I'm going to give it all the respect that it deserves, by IGNORING it. Bluntman.

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Peter Gilroy got a QSM in 2001 &amp; John Sjoberg his 35yr Cop clasp in 2007 - the cop mag has his photo but what gets me is that one (ex-cop) turned up in a polo shirt like he was playing golf or something.

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Good riddance. Now can we focus on doing something useful that will encourage people to get active in their workplaces and communities instead of focusing on a dismal event that makes the activist community look like a place riddled with intrigue, deceit and negativity?

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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Sam - the activist community IS a place riddled with intrigue, deceit and negativity. This is a good part of the reason why ordinary people sensibly stay a long distance away.

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you know what ,ive got a mind to make a placard go down to my local cop shop and picket it! and use my RIGHT to protest and if the turds try and question me i will use my right to remain silent ! I really am sick of the way the police do things in Aotearoa ..

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Go on dick head keep trusting the army fuckers and you will still keep on being penetrated time and time again by the State. I am pissing myself thinking you actually believe all this stuff about the armed forces being on the side of the people. Where do you think the cops, SIS etc go first when the are looking for undercover recruits to run into the activists movement? Good loyal soldier boys and girls who will do what they are told.
No doubt the SIGs have already got their replacement to suck-face Rob already in place. You don't have a hope of building any sort of movement in this country. The State will always know what you are planning because you are just too dumb and too trusting. Why do you think Stalin shot all the fucking officers in the Red Army - he couldn't trust them.

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Good riddance. Now can we focus on doing something useful that will encourage people to get active in their workplaces and communities instead of focusing on a dismal event that makes the activist community look like a place riddled with intrigue, deceit and negativity?

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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"Sam - the activist community IS a place riddled with intrigue, deceit and negativity."

Not where I work. BTW, sorry that comment came up twice, no idea why.

Sam

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Hugo Chavez was a soldier. Not all armed services folk are reactionary or clowns.

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What??? Chaves IS A REALLY BAD CLOWN!!! He will be South America's Idi Amin if ya ain't carefull. He's watch ALL his subjects.....

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Good. I'm glad the gummint is spying on you filthy fucking lefties.

Now, kindly bugger off and die.

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I hate lefties

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"We can swear at Rob all we like but it's never going to change the fact that the state will always be interested in groups or individuals that challenge the system. This anger could be directed into nation-wide protest, which would be far more effective than calling Rob names."

I agree. Surveillance and spying of so-called left-wing groups and activitsts has been going on for a long time. There is a long history of it in this land, and it goes back to when the first police appeared with Hobson. It didn't just spring afresh after 9/11. The SIG have been around for awhile. The problem is finding the proof, but it is out there.

One ex-cop, Andy Bell, published his autobiogrpahy last year. In it he talks how he went undercover to infiltrate the anti-apartheid movement in the late '70s. He slept his way into a position of power in the movement.

Another ex-cop, Tom Lewis, in his book talks about how part of his job in CIS was to amass intelligence info on known anti-royalists, trade unionists, and activists. He kept a tab on 'terrorists' back in the '80s

The SIS have asked workmates to spy on their co-workers.

We all just need to live with a healthy awareness that the State is watching.

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As I've claimed I'm ex-Army (the last one down the list) I'ld just like those reading with interest to know that I'm NOT into Armed Revolt.
If you know anything about guns &amp; revolution, then you have to know you don't want that.

Any talk of such a thing give ligitamacy to spying.

There may be a Green Party cross-over here (well I voted for them) and they were the most vocal for the NZDF to got to Timor Leste.

Bunny from Green Peace said they operate openly and have nothing to hide so the idea of paying someone to find out what they're up to is silly. They want to get the message out.

It shows a level of ignorance and the the use it or lose it approach to budgets, powers, and weapons.

Example, we have never used the Air Force Strike Force in operations (that means for real), ever. Result, the expensive toys were taken away, and the Army got new radios that they need and use.

So too, police powers from Operation 8. The use it or lose it ethos is strong. They acted because they can and inorder to keep the power they must act.

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Don't be too carried away with the Rob thing, it is only a divert of a possible mass reaction to the government's bulldozer approach to labour organisation, production and social distribution.

There are bugs everywhere in your homes too...

Mr Key is a coward. Why? Because his economic system is based on a socialist exploitation of humanity; anti smacking bill, fines for parents for their children's truancy, and more to be enforced early next year. The latter alone can collect for the government $1 trillion dollars on any day!

He has regulated against bio developments including biofuels and IT research in favour of oppressing the poor with revenue collection policies as his major economic system.

The smiling assasin is looking at the face of those poor children and their parents, tells me that he's worse than a coward!

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Well, Mr Blunt Man, there are many forms of Stalinism just as there are many forms of communism, capitalism, racism etc.
Not all racists commit genocide. Not all Stalinist governments murder their own people. Some merely arrest them on trumped-up charges and subject them to a show trial.
Geddit?

$miling Assassin

I wonder if his law applies to him considering the ability of his targets as defenceless?
See...

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In amongst all of this discussion of Rob, I'd like to focus on another aspect of this - Rochelle Rees' incredibly principled stance in taking public her own personal betrayal by Gilchrist, and the humiliation of having been lied to by him within her relationship and her activist pursiuts, for such a long time.

Having an ex who is enmeshed in the security systems management, I know what it's like to suddenly remove someone like that from one's life, and the systematic bullshit that is encountered, for years afterwards.

Solidarity to you, Rochelle, keep your head held high, and draw close to those in your personal networks who can support you at this time.

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http://dimpost.wordpress.com/

Left wing activists targeted by the police in an ongoing and controversial domestic intelligence operation have reported that they are ‘greatly relieved’ that information about their massive conspiracy to defraud the Social Welfare Department was not passed on to police by paid informer Rob Gilchrist.

‘We would have been totally busted,’ admitted Aro Valley resident Jules Fletcher, a 43 year old sickness beneficiary and tactical intelligence officer of the two man revolutionary cell ‘Tino-rangatiratanga People’s Global Jihad for Social and Environmental Justice Now!’.

Fletcher - who goes by the revolutionary code-name ‘ Field Commander Zhou’ - runs a large and complex operation to defraud the Department of Social Welfare by collecting benefit checks for over a dozen false identities. Fletcher explained that the estimated $180,000 a year he obtains from the scam is used to ‘bring down the system from within’, although he admitted that much of the cash has been spent on expensive instruments and recording equipment for his folk/hip-hop band ‘Colorless Green Ideas’ in which Fletcher plays bass guitar.

‘We don’t practice much any more though.’ He admitted, something police already knew as Gilchrist covertly supplied them with extensive information about the band’s rehearsal schedule, song lyrics and musical influences as well as accounts of fights between Gilchrist and his lead singer, fellow anarchist Anu Singh, who is an accomplice in the benefit scam operation as well as the Editor of Bakunin’s Hymen, a magazine devoted to human sexuality and the destruction of the market economy.

Rob Gilchrist has forwarded police over three hundred issues of Bakunin’s Hymen to his employers in the secretive police Special Investigations Group (SIG).

‘Rob also knows where our [marijuana] plantation is,’ Singh said. ‘But he helped me plant this years bud so it makes sense he’d keep his mouth shut about that. It’s cool that he didn’t blow our WINS scam though.’

SIG Detective-Inspector Sean Gibson-Whyte is understood to be leading the investigation into Tino-rangatiratanga People’s Global Jihad for Social and Environmental Justice Now! and admits that the loss of Gilchrist as an informer has dealt a blow to the ongoing surveillance operation.

‘We have been reduced to reading Mr Fletcher’s blog, watching his web-cam, listening to his telephone calls with Mr Singh and installing listening devices in their homes and cars,’ Gibson-Whyte admitted ruefully.

Detective Gibson-Whyte is no stranger to set-backs: an experienced officer with a Masters Degree in criminal law, he spent nine years investigating gangs and organised crime in New Zealand and Asia Pacific and headed up a multi-country task-force to investigate the smuggling of amphetamine precursors from South East Asia before being pulled from the case to head up the inquiry into the Tino-rangatiratanga People’s Global Jihad for Social and Environmental Justice Now! task-force.

Other activists informed on by Gilchrist have expressed surprise and relief about the selective nature of his informing.

‘Rob sent the stasi pigs cell-phone pictures he took of my ‘PanArchy’ performance art installation but he hasn’t told them anything about the time I got wasted, broke into my ex-girlfriends flat and trashed the whole house,’ said Project for Total Human Genocide co-founder and environmental activist Jenny McCormak. The anonymous, Hawera based spokesperson for Sendero Luminoso Aotearoa has expressed gratitude that Gilchrist did not reveal details of her activities manufacturing and distributing the class A drug Ecstasy, although his information about the group has prompted the SIG to draft eleven more detectives into the task-force to adequately monitor the upcoming anti-patriarchy rave scheduled for new years eve.

‘These officers have been sourced from organised crime units and will bring extensive expertise and experience to this crucial investigation,’ Gibson-Whyte announced.

Detective Gibson-Whyte himself will not be attending the rave as he is committed to reading all of Jules Fletcher’s 12,000 page political manifesto, secretly forwarded to him by Rob Gilchrist in July of 2007.

‘I invented my own language free of political hegemony, so it might take him a while to read,’ Fletcher said. ‘I think its worth it though.’

‘I hope it blows his fucking mind.’

The manifesto is publically available for download on Mr Fletchers website, www.tino-rangatiratangapeoplesglobaljihadforsocialandenvironmentaljustic....

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Nice.

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"Well, if you told me you were drowning
I would not lend a hand
Ive seen your face before my friend
But I dont know if you know who I am
Well, I was there and I saw what you did
I saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off the grin,
I know where you've been
Its all been a pack of lies..."
- Phil Collins.

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Mmmm...I Feel it in the Air Tonight, Sussudio, too!

I guess Rob and the rest of us will be living Seperate Lives now.

Oh well, we must battle Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) because it is just Another Day in Paradise!

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Just goes to show you must never take things at Face Value.

I think some of the characters I meet in the Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories game are more enlightened than Rob G.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Collins

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I've always hated Phil Collins &amp; that particularly nasty little song.

I do appreciate the humour though, Phil Collins and all.

Michael

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"The A-IMC editors wish to remind people that we will hide or possibly delete comments that contain unsubstantiated accusations or rumour. This website is for debate, not for gossip and innuendo."

That's what people said when we said Rob was a cop ages ago. He still got kicked out of most, if not all groups because some people bothered to listen and not make accusations of things being just "rumour, gossip and innuendo".

You'll see Indy....

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Could someone print T-Shirts with Robs face and his Cylon number.

Good call on the Cylons look like us, very good.

Police anti-terror squad that spies on protest groups apply Sun

This is not very surprising really since Sun Tzi wrote a whole chapter about spying in his Art of War book which you can apply to business, politics and… Check out section four and the rest after it in the direct link following.

http://www.4hb.com/0850sun-tzu-art-war-13.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu

This is all very Machiavellian actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellian

http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Reading_Revolutions/Machiavelli.html

Who I feel sorry the most for is Rochelle whom was taken advantage of in one of the worst possible ways and I can only reiterate what anarkaytie wrote : “Solidarity to you, Rochelle, keep your head held high and draw close to those in your personal networks who can support you at this time”. And I just want to add: because of this I am sure you will be stronger and all the best.

Police anti-terror squad that spies on protest groups apply Sun

Rob was one confidence trickster/con artist. If he is a doomed spy then who is/are the surviving ones?

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"Rob was one confidence trickster/con artist. If he is a doomed spy then who is/are the surviving ones?"

Yay time to get really paranoid, that way the cops win as we will be policing ourselves...

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Like we're not already.

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I have no doubts they have current operations in action against activist groups, bugging, serveillance, tapping phones, emails and all the other stuff.

That is not being paranoid to come to that realisation. Its how we act on it that is important.

So its time to 'not' get paranoid but time to come to a real assessment of where things are at with the attacks coming to the activists community's from the unit in question.

The S.I.G should be investigated and disbanded since it has not, since its inception, carried out its myndated objectives. To investigate terrorism and threats to national security.

All it has done since 2004 is investigate activists and try to make veiled connections between al qaeda and the Maori Sovereignty Movement TO WHICH IT FAILED MISERABLY.

There will be other informants in the main centres of activism, so what, the informants wont change the minds of the SIG because their minds are already made up - were criminals and terrorists as far as they are concerned.

What we need to learn out of this though is how to spot when the cops have been tipped off, and other dead giveaways that you have an informant working against your crew.

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"The S.I.G should be investigated and disbanded since it has not, since its inception, carried out its myndated objectives. To investigate terrorism and threats to national security.

All it has done since 2004 is investigate activists and try to make veiled connections between al qaeda and the Maori Sovereignty Movement TO WHICH IT FAILED MISERABLY."

But this has been going on since before 2004.

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The SIG hasnt been going on for a long time. How many other specific intelligence units do you know of that are set up and run by the police that solely target activists?

How many other intelligence units do you know of that are set up with current operations that are intended to end with raids and arrests of activists.

Most of what has happened in the past has been monitoring. The SIG dont monitor for the sake of monitoring, the monitor for the sake of manufacturing the grounds for arrests. This is a step up in operational tactics by the police.

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Maybe some people should refuse to pay taxes until the SIG is disbanded. the court cases would be interesting..

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Hey could someone update me on what happened after Somali was found out for being a spy? I know that the activist groups were asking for info on her so that they could take legal action against the spy firm, and to fit pieces of the puzzle together and work out what she had found out about members and try to see how much damage she had done etc. Did any legal action go ahead? Sorry, I am travelling so haven't kept up with this but would be interested to know.

Also, is some kind of complaint going ahead to the police/government? Do activist groups want info on what interactions people had with Rob to find out what info he was after? more than happy to give details if that will help

Thinking of you NZ activists, keep up the fight. In solidarity

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A complaint was made to the Registrar of Private Investigators and Security Guards. The complaint had several grounds including the use of spies Somali Young and Ryan Patterson-Rouse and the placement of a security camera on public land. The complainants in the case were all individuals who were acting on the mandate of their respective groups. We lost the case on all grounds. Each person was fined $500 to be paid to Thompson and Clark Private Investigations Ltd.

I could write a very long piece about what an incredible miscarriage of justice, what a corrupt and reprehensible process this all was, but I am sure that you can imagine that for yourself - and it will come as no surprise.

Needless to say, Rob was in the courtroom for the entire trial held in Christchurch. No doubt to keep tabs on who was there and the nature of the case.

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You can't stop paying tax, gst et al.
You can specify where your tax dollars go. It is a moot point as unspecified taxes will tax your place, but if it has wide enough appeal it could work.

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Its not your tax, the moment it hits your paysheet its gone. It then belongs to the govt to do with it as they so choose to. You have about as much say about what happens to the tax money you pay as you would trying to convince bank robbers to follow a list of things you would like them to spend your unwillful financial contribution on.

Its armed theft. Try it, stop paying tax and watch them send everyone to your house and take everything, then when theyre done with your stuff they will drag your arse away, try resisting and armed police will drag you away and lock you up for committing a crime when it is the state that is committing the crime.

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Never forget the video surveillance that monitors your movements (and your speech via voice recognition) everywhere you go and gather...

Police anti-terror squad spies on protest groups and people with

Here something amusing about the trolls that hang out here.

www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Internet_troll_personality_disorder

The treatment is very funny!