Photos from Palestine Solidarity Demo in Wellington

Looked like a great turnout.

Damn, I took the same photos:
http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20090106-gazademo/index.html

Cool turnout. Hey out of interest, where is the Rabin monument?

These people do realize that.. Palestine decided to not renew its cease-fire, and has been constantly attacking Isreal for years.. Right?

i feel that burning the israeli flag is not symbolic of peace, the israeli people are prob in need of just as much compassion, they seem to have a lot more potential for war and killing, which maybe indicates a lot more hate and anger.

i met some israeli people 2 weeks ago b4 the latest mainstream media reported flare up of violence, i was reminded of how ingrained the militarian mentality is, its compulsory for every israeli citizen to do 2 years in the army.

to bomb a nation is an abomination anywhere anytime -
but as kiwis, in a peaceful nation surely we can rise above the vengeful archtype - burning flags is not an action of peace.

nick lyons

There are no "Palestinians" and there is no "Palestine." The vast majority of the Arabs who currently reside in the State of Israel immigrated to the land from Egypt in the first half of this century in order to obtain employment and other economic opportunities from the growing Jewish community
. "There is no Palestine in history, absolutely not," said Dr. Hitti, the official spokesman for all of the Arab nations and for the Arabs living in Israel, while testifying before the Anglo-American Commission in 1946. In 1948, the Arab League, representing the entire Arab world, declared before the United Nations that there was no "Palestine" and that all of Israel was "part of southern Syria."
All of a sudden, in the 1960s, Yesser Arafat and other Islamist extremists decided to invent the myth that a separate Arab nation called "Palestine" once existed.

From 1517-1917 Turkey's Ottoman Empire controlled a vast Arab empire, a portion of which is today Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine During World War I (1914-1918), Turkey supported Germany. When Germany was defeated, so were the Turks. In 1916 control of the southern portion of their Ottoman Empire was "mandated" to France and Britain under the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned (mandated) to France... and "Palestine" (today's Jordan, Israel and "West Bank") was mandated to Great Britain.
Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!
In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!" This portion of Palestine was renamed Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan and would again be renamed "Jordan" in 1946. In other words, the eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!" However, the bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland. However, sharing was not part of the Arab psychological makeup then nor now.
Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. Most terrifying were the Hebron massacres of 1929 and later during the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt." The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became painfully clear to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.
The Palestinian Jews were forced to form an organized defense against the Arabs Palestinians.... thus was formed the Hagana, the beginnings of the Israeli Defense Forces [IDF]. There was also a Jewish underground called the Irgun led by Menachem Begin (who later became Prime Minister of Israel). Besides fighting the Arabs, the Irgun was instrumental in driving out the pro-Arab British. Finally in 1947 the British had enough and turned the Palestine matter over to the United Nations.
The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab Palestinians rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east AND west of the Jordan River.

On May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews finally declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. The truth is that 70% of the Arab Palestinians who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish thugs, but because of a rational and reasonable calculus: the Jews will be exterminated; we will get out of the way while that messy and dangerous business goes forward, and we will return afterwards to reclaim our homes, and to inherit those nice Jewish properties as well. They guessed wrong; and the Arab Palestinians are still tortured by the residual shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women. So much for the blatant lie about Jews throwing out all the [Palestinian] Arabs!
The remaining 30% either (1) saw for themselves that these Jews would fight and die for their new nation and decided to pack up and leave or (2) were driven off the land as a normal consequence of war.

When the 19 month war ended, Israel survived despite a 1% loss of its entire population! Those Arabs who did not flee became today's Israeli-Arab citizens. Those who fled became the seeds of the first wave of "Palestinian Arab refugees."
The Arab propagandists and apologists almost never mentioned that in 1948, Arab armies launched a war against a one-day-old Israel. Instead he focused on the main consequence of that war: the creation of Arab refugees, stating that Israel "short of genocide" expelled 800,000 of them. This not only disagrees with UN estimates of a bit over 400,000 refugees but also ignores the fact that most of the Arabs/Palestinians were encouraged to leave by the Arab World itself!

The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish state slightly larger than that which was proposed by the 1947 United Nations Resolution 181. What remained of that almost-created second Arab Palestinian State was gobbled up by (1) Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by (2) Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (a.k.a. the "West Bank" of the Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan formally merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all those "Palestinian" Arabs living there Jordanian citizenship. Since Trans-Jordan was then no longer confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "Jordan." In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine... called Jordan but in reality their ARAB "Palestinian state! But that was still not 100% and thus the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would continue through four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist attacks upon the Israeli citizenry. It continues to this very day.
From 1949-67 when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank & Jerusalem] and Gaza ... were 100% under Arab [Jordanian & Egyptian] control, no effort was EVER made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there. Surely you do not expect Israel to now provide these same Arabs with their own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so! And isn't it curious how Arafat and his PLO (formed in 1964) discovered their "ancient" identity and a need for "self-determination" and "human dignity" on this very same West Bank ONLY AFTER Israel regained this territory (three years later in 1967) following Jordan's attempt attempt to destroy Israel! Why was no request ever made upon King Hussein of Jordan by the Arabs living on the West Bank when he occupied it? Is it logical that the PLO was formed in 1964 to regain the lands they would lose three years later in 1967? This sort of logic makes sense only to those who who have not learned that the PLO was formed to DESTROY Israel. And that is STILL their goal! A cosmetic name change from PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) to PA (Palestinian Authority) does not change the stripes on THIS tiger!

Throughout much of May 1967, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian armies mobilized along Israel's narrow and seemingly indefensible borders in preparation for a massive invasion to eliminate the State of Israel. The battle cry heard throughout the Arab world was then, as it continues to be... "Slaughter the Jews" and "Throw the Jews into the Sea!" But the Jews of Israel, remembering 2,000 years of being butchered, gassed, burned and skinned (eg. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, the Arab rampages of early Palestine and particularly the Holocaust), planned and executed a perfect pre-emptive strike against Egypt. Within two hours the Egyptian Air Force did not exist... most of its planes destroyed while still on the runways! Unaware that the Egyptians had no more air force, King Hussein of Jordan, launched his attack from the his West Bank into Israel's belly while Syrian troops prepared to descend down the Golan Heights high ground into northern Israel.
Now for some facts about "occupation." Firstly, the Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians lost Gaza, the West Bank and Golan Heights (respectively) by participating in a failed attempt at genocide against the Children of Israel. Had Israel lost this 1967 defensive war, the Arab-Palestinians and their Arab allies would have raped, butchered or driven out every Israeli they could get their hands on and gobbled up all of Israel. Now, 35+ years later and despite the fact that Israel won a war BROUGHT UPON THEM, the Israelis are still willing to allow the Arab-Palestinians to have a state on much of the West Bank and Gaza if only they will stop sending their suicide/homicide bombers into the heart of Israel! (Talk about misplaced compassion!)
From 1948 to 1967, Egypt ruled Gaza, Syria ruled the Golan Heights, while Jordan ruled the West Bank. They could have set up independent Arab-Palestinian states in any or all of those territories, but they didn't even consider it. Instead, in 1967 they used the Golan Heights, Gaza and the West bank to launch a war that was unambiguously aimed at destroying Israel, which is how Israel came into possession of those territories in the first place.
After ONLY six days of air, sea and hand-to-hand ground warfare, Israel defeated all three Arab armies along three separate fronts, taking control of the entire Sinai Desert from Egypt, the 37mile x 12mile Golan Heights from Syria and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem and its Old City) from Jordan. The God of Israel was surely watching over His children! Most importantly was the return to Israel of its holy 3,000 year old capital city of Jerusalem along the western edge of the West Bank... the same Jerusalem from which all Jews had been denied access for the 19 years (1948-1967) following Jordan's seizure and control over it following the first Arab-Israeli War of 1948-9.
Unfortunately, the world saw things differently and considered Israel an "occupier" of this disputed "West Bank" and the Gaza Strip along with the 850,000 Palestinian Arabs living there. These Arabs would refer to themselves as "refugees" and joined the masses of refugees from the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948-9. Once again Israel was forced to fight a battle for survival and, sadly, once again Palestinian [in reality, Jordanian and Egyptian] Arabs becoming refugees by their own actions, the actions of their leaders and from the actions of fellow Arabs from neighboring states!
ISRAEL SCREWS UP TOO!
Israel was responsible for bringing about some of its own problems. The Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were packed and ready to leave following their 1967 defeat. Suddenly the victorious one-eyed IDF General Moshe Dayan persuaded them to stay. This singular act stunned no one more than the Arab enemy himself who could not believe such an incredible manifestation of Jewish madness! After all, the Arabs knew what THEY would have done to the Jews if they had won! Dayan's plan was to educate them, offer them modern medical treatment, provide them with employment both in the West Bank, Gaza AND inside Israel Proper itself ... living amongst each other in hopes of building bridges to the Arab world. Israel is now paying dearly for this typically naive "Leftist" gesture. That "bridge" led to two Intifadas and world-wide Arab-Palestinian terrorism. From a frightened and defeated enemy, these "Palestinian" Arabs under Israel's jurisdiction turned into a confident, hateful and dangerous enemy now on their way toward forming a terrorist state determined to destroy Israel!
Note: When people say Jordan (first called Trans-Jordan) is an Arab-"Palestinian" State, they are correct! Jordan accounts for 3/4 of Palestine's original land mass. Though they may call themselves "Jordanians," they are culturally, ethnically, historically and religiously no different than the Arab-"Palestinians" on the "West Bank." Even the flag of Jordan and the flag of the proposed 2nd Arab-Palestinian state on the West Bank / Gaza look almost identical. So, if the Arab-Palestinians and Jordanians think of themselves as one and the same, why should WE fall for the lie that the Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River are any different from the Jordanian Arabs on its eastern shore?
Usually when one side starts a war and loses both the war AND some territory, no one on the planet would expect the winner to give back anything! This not only sounds preposterous, it IS preposterous! But the Jews (I hate to admit) had such an insane obsession of wanting the world to love them that they were willing to give back the entire Sinai Desert (oil fields, air bases and endless miles of security buffer) to Egypt for a piece of paper. Thus, in 1982 Egypt regained their Sinai and Israel lost a massive buffer against any future Egyptian aggression! Thus far, Egypt has not aggressed against Israel militarily; however, the basest, anti-Semitic vile to come out of Egypt is not unlike the worse of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda! This 1982 Camp David Peace Accord has to be the coldest peace deal in history!
Israel still occupies Syria's Golan Heights which, prior to the 1967 war, had been by Syria used solely for terrorist incursions into and artillery bombardment upon Israel's northeastern settlements. The Golan should never be given back to Israel's most vicious enemy! And of course, Israel still "occupies" the West Bank with its ONE MILLION TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND and Gaza with its EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND "Palestinian" Arabs. Had Israel done to these Arabs what the Arabs would have done to the Jews had THEY won, she would have expelled these hostile Arabs and made it officially part of a Greater Israel! But by remaining an "occupier," Israel set herself up for a campaign of vicious propaganda, the scope and intensity of which the world has never before seen!

The Middle East war is not now and never was a conflict between Israelis/Jews on the one hand and Palestinians on the other. In fact, the Arab-"Palestinians", while currently the perpetrators of most of the anti-Jewish atrocities, were never a very important part of the conflict. In fact, before about 1970, virtually no one in the world considered the Middle East conflict to be one between Israelis and Palestinians.
The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!.
The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century. Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic nationalism and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom. It is nothing more than genocidal hatred of Jews!
The Arab assaults and aggressions against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968, and 1973 had nothing to do with Palestinians. The Palestinian terror campaign would itself be easy to suppress today and eradicate if the Middle East conflict were really a Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel would simply obliterate the terrorists and expel their supporters to Syria and Lebanon. The Middle East war continues because it is really an Arab-Israeli war, not an Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also in large part a war between barbarism and civilization. In many ways an Islamic religious jihad against the Jews.

I think that the paint and flag discgacing Yitzhak Rabin's memorial are so symbolic of the situation;

Here is a men who dedicated his life to bringing upon peace and a free country for the poor Palestinian people. He dared talk to Yassair Arafat and sign the Oslo Accords and fought for Palestinian rights at a time when it wasn't popular in Israel. He paid for this with his life.

And that thank you from the Palestinian people? "Let's mess up his memorial" - why?

For the same reason they received Gaza and messed it up, and messed up every property, freedom and opportunity they ever received by people who cared for them for the purpose of peace. When will the world learn that they are simply not interested in peace?

As Golda Meir once said: "There will be peace when they love their children more than they hate the Jews"

The Palestinians are so badly served by their leaders it's not rue. After Israel quits Gaza how do we help the Palestinians get rid of Hamas?

The sad thing is that nothing will change until Israel's friend, the USA, allows change to happen.

USA & Israel, who is the master and who is the puppet?

In Israel you find Hebrew artefacts in the ground, not some mythical "palestinian" nonsense.

You ever wondered why that is, or do you just not care?

Is killing all the Jews in Israel really your ONLY wish or is the truth at all important?

Isn't it odd that wherever Muslims are in greater number than circa 10 percent you have them claiming that THEY are the indiginous people and every non-Muslim must convert, leave or die? Or become a Dhimmi/slave.
The yellow star Jews had to wear in Nazi Germany was actually an Islamic invention from hundreds of years before.

What is "palestine"? It's not a country.

Never was. If it was, you go ahead and tell me it's detailed history.

Go right ahead. Leaders, before Arafat, money, economy, anything. Come on. This is the country the eevill Joos supposedly stole from peaceful innocent "palestinians", without ever going into detail about what exatly a palestinian is.

Palestine is not a country, it is an ideology, an ideology of hatred, Islamic and arab supremacy and bigotry.

Israel isn't the only country in the world Muslims are fighting to liberate from the evil infidels.

The whole world is palestine.

In their religion more specifically it's called Dar al Harb, House of War. It's every part of the world that is not yet Islamic, and thus exists a state of perpetual war until it falls under Islam.

That is palestine. It's a bigotted extremist ideology.

These protesters support this bigotted death cult ideology under the guise of peace and human rights eventhough there is nothing peaceful or humane about the palestine/dar al harb ideology.

International Committee of the Red Cross says Israel guilty of war crime:

The ICRC accused Israel of violating the rules of war by delaying ambulance access to the house where its team found children huddled beside corpses, not far from the Israeli army.

The Red Cross said the army must have known of the situation but did not help the wounded, in violation of international law.

An ICRC spokesperson said the obstruction of an ambulance to help the wounded amounted to a war crime and an ICRC investigation into the incident has begun.

Senior Islamic Jihad Terrorist arrested while hiding in the Offices of the International Solidarity Movement in Jenin
IDF Spokesperson Announcement
28 March 2003
[IMRA: The IDF Spokeperson's Office told IMRA that the source of the confusion in earlier reports that claimed the terrorists were caught in Red Cross offices was that a number of organizations are located in the same building.]
Shadi Sukiya, a senior member of the Islamic Jihad in Jenin who was involved in the planning of several thwarted suicide attacks, was arrested by IDF troops while hiding in the offices of the International Solidarity Movement.
The IDF was conducting searches since last night for Sukiya in a complex of buildings. During the searches, an assistant to Sukiya surrendered, and 2 Kalashnikov rifles were founded. Based on intelligence information, the forces searched a building housing international organizations (Physicians without Borders, the Red Cross and the International Solidarity Movement). Sukiya was found hiding in the offices of the International Solidarity Movement. A handgun was also found.
Two foreign women activists of the organization, helped Sukiya hide from IDF forces.
It should be noted that this is not the first time that terrorists make use of offices and property of international and humanitarian organizations to carry out terror attacks and hide from the IDF forces. Such behavior puts the organizations and their staff and property at risk.
Sukiya, one of the senior Islamic jihad terrorists in Jenin, was involved in several thwarted suicide attacks including a planned suicide bus bombing in northern Israel in September another suicide attack in October, and planned suicide attack with an explosive suitcase in February.
Suykia was also involved in planting explosive devices and shooting attacks against IDF troop and Jewish communities in the Jenin area.

Watch it out here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7809371.stm

Israel is so good at using the West to work for its illegitimate causes, and good at using their wealth to influence some decision makers, and know how to spread their misleading propagandas to conceal and persuade people to accept its war crime as self-defence against whom they labelled as “terrorists”.
Israel is committing an overt holocaust against starving powerless people (Palestinian) whom crime only is fighting for their freedom and lands’ right.

Peace/Love

Former Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out on Israel´s Behalf
12:04 Nov 25, '05 / 23 Cheshvan 5766
By Debbie Berman

Zachariah Anani, an Ex-Muslim militant who grew up in Lebanon hating the state of Israel, has since become one of Israel’s most staunch supporters.

Click to hear the interview with the former terrorist.

Anani, along with two other former Muslims, plans to address an audience at Princeton University next month to voice his controversial views.

"I was brought up to hate Jews and Israel. That was my first raising, my first attitude," Zachariah Anani told Israel National Radio's Tovia Singer.

Anani describes the circumstances that prompted him to make the decision to turn his life around. "In the 70's I became a Christian, but even as a Christian, Jews didn’t mean anything to me. One day someone asked me a question regarding Jews, and I really didn’t know the answer. I started studying Jewish history. I was shocked and amazed at how much the Jews had suffered, how much they had endured. That’s what made me have a change of heart," he explained. "Thank G-d, I spent most of my short militant life fighting against my own kind. Fate never put me against the Israeli army," Anani added.

Anani says that a quick look at modern Zionist history makes it clear that Israel has enjoyed divine protection and assistance. "G-d is with Israel. If every Arab country were to send a million soldiers to surround Israel, which would be 23 million soldiers, Israel would be doomed. How did they win five wars in the past? Because G-d was there," he said.

In addition, Anani shared his opposition to the recent withdrawal from Gaza and his belief that future efforts to give up land for peace would be disastrous for Israel. "I have no clue why Israel left Gaza, why the righteous owner of a land would give up part of their inheritance and freedom. It would be another big blow if Israel gave up the West Bank." he affirmed. "A long time ago when Sadat signed a peace treaty with Israel, I believed at best this treaty gave the Jews one hundred years to pack up and leave," Anani said.

Anani expressed his strong views regarding the current tension between Israel and the Hizbullah, stating that he thought Israel should have completed the task of eradicating the Hizbullah terrorist forces that control Southern Lebanon before they withdrew their forces from the region in May, 2000. "I don’t know how the intelligence of the Israeli military did not finish the job. This is the only way, "he said.

Anani's radical viewpoint has made him a continued target for terrorists seeking to silence him. "In twenty years there have been twenty attempts on my life. I was forced to escape to Canada. I am now a Canadian citizen, but I am still not free from unfortunate incidents. Recently someone tried to set fire to my car and my house," Anani stated.

Anani is slated to be part of a panel discussion at Princeton University on December 8th where he will speak about Israel, Lebanon, the Hizbullah, and peace in the Middle East. Additional former Muslim terrorists who became Israel supporters, Walid Shoebat and Ibraham Abdullah, will join Anani in the panel at the Princeton event.

Anani ended his radio interview with an inspiring message to Israelis: "Hold on and keep the fight till the end. Don’t give up. Stop giving up."

Hear Tovia Singer's interview with former terrorist Zachariah Anani.

The truth is that, as long as Israel is protected by the superpower's umbrella it remains deaf to all humanitarian pleas. In truth, thanks to the unconditional support of the US, Israel is the sole country on earth that is a law unto itself. It ignores the Fourth Geneva Convention, which disallows collective punishment and demands an occupying power must provide for the people it occupies, with impunity. It maintains a massive nuclear arsenal under a globally-recognised policy of nuclear ambiguity specific to Israel. In answer to those who dare to criticise it hides behind disingenuous shrieks of anti-Semitism.

I just cannot comprehend an impoverished, hungry population whose only weapons are stones and homemade rockets, are being heartlessly massacred by the fourth most powerful army on earth. I thought we pride ourselves as having evolved beyond the cruel level of survival of the fittest. I am honestly embarrassed to be a member of the human race

The solution is very simple than what you’d imagine. If Israel is genuinely wants peace, then it could says to the Palestinians, here is your lands back, and let us leave peacefully in our lands too – it’s that simple to achieve peace, it’s incredibly what is needed for peace. Israel has brushed aside all the fair peace-resolutions which have been presented to it, the last one was by the French President.

The French President Nicolas Sarkozy when he visited Israel on June 22-24. He really hits Israel where it hurts.

He spoke as an intimate friend - certainly Israel's best friend in Europe - but he did not mince his words, both on his arrival and in the Knesset.
"The time to make peace is now," he told the Israelis. "Tomorrow, it will be too late." Rarely has a foreign leader spelled out so clearly what Israel has to do for peace - and what it has sought at all costs to avoid.
Sarkozy laid particular emphasis on three points, which he hammered in at every opportunity. The first, and most important, was this: "Israel's security will not be truly assured until we see, at last, at its side an independent, modern, democratic and viable Palestinian state."
Two other themes were given equal prominence - and were equally unwelcome to many Israelis. "There can be no peace without an immediate and complete halt to settlements," he declared. The settlers, he said, should be compensated and brought back to Israel. And then - in a statement which was nothing less than sacrilege for Israeli hard-liners - he added: "There can be no peace without recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of two states and the guarantee of free access to the holy places for all religions."
In his reply to Sarkozy, Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was quick to say that "We don't always agree on every issue, on every detail, see things exactly the same way".

At a visit to Israel Condoleezza Rice dared to say that "continued settlement activity has the potential to harm the peace talks." The chairman of the settlement council called her remarks "impertinent and shameless". "Israel he has been spat in the face and the government treats it as rain drops".

The benefits of peace for Israel would be enormous. Normal relations with all 22 members of the Arab League; an end to the armed resistance of Hezbollah and Hamas; a new chapter in relations with Iran.

Peace/Love

Hi, I just read this in the mainstream media..

"Recently formed advocacy group Kiwi Friends of Israel, which had representatives monitoring the march, said it was concerned by the presence of swastikas on signs carried by some marchers."

Can someone who was there confirm that swastikas were on signs in this rally? And if so, to what purpose??

nc

'his so-called 'innocent young girl tennis player' Shahar Peer, is a proud supporter of a racist country founded on the theft of Palestinian land and the terrorism of Palestinian people.'

Yeah, good logic. I'm proud to be a Kiwi, that means that if Kiwi's do anything along these lines, I must be a racist.

Once again, after seeing how the 'Protesters' here in New Zealand act, the more I see how far their heads are up their asses. Because of course the Arab nations haven't been trying to kill The Jews since they got there, right? Oh no!

Face it. It's been.. What, 60 years or so since Israel was formed? It's a bit late for a do-over. At the end of the day, I disagree with War. But I'm also a realist enough to know that it does happens, and a bunch of bigots protesting against a race is not going to change that fact. You hate Israel for what they're doing. Yet you refuse to acknowlage the fact that Palastine's been launching missles and mostly going out of their way to frag them every chance they get. They're ruled by Hammas -- A group that is a True 'Terrorist' group, in every meaning of the word.

Yet you'll support them.

You people are fails. And, while not all of you are totally stupid, the majority that do things that just brings shame. You protest things against people who have said time again 'I have nothing to do with this.' You taunt the 'other'side into doing something violent towards you, then cry about it afterwards like a child with a broken toy.

Mostly, you do not use logic. You protest every. Single. Thing. You. Can. For no other reason than 'I DON'T AGREE WITH IT IT MUST BE WRONG! I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!!!'

Shahar Peer fought in the Israeli Army, which has had a long history of committing atrocities against civilians.

"Yeah, good logic. I'm proud to be a Kiwi, that "means that if Kiwi's do anything along these lines, I must be a racist."

Quite possibly you are. It depends upon what you mean by 'Kiwi'. If you definition of 'Kiwi' is the same as that of the National Party or similar, people who deny the crimes that groups such as the New Zealand Company have committed against Maori, then you are a racist.

"Because of course the Arab nations haven't been trying to kill The Jews since they got there, right? Oh no!"

If your country has been colonised in a violent fashion, your reaction would likely be violent as well.

"Face it. It's been.. What, 60 years or so since Israel was formed? It's a bit late for a do-over."

Time does not make something wrong into something right. For example, the United States had hundreds of years of slavery and that was never right.

"a bunch of bigots protesting against a race"

It is not about race. We are against ZIONISM, the political movement based on making the State of Israel into THE HOMELAND for Jewish people. We are not antisemitic, in fact some of us are Jewish.

"They're ruled by Hammas -- A group that is a True 'Terrorist' group, in every meaning of the word."

Hamas (not Hammas), or more specifically Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement", is the government that was democratically elected by Palestinian people. Most groups that consider them terrorists are the United States, Israel and their allies... and they have strong political reasons for doing so. Hamas are not the only political party or organisation that represents Palestinian people.

"You protest things against people who have said time again 'I have nothing to do with this.'You taunt the 'other'side into doing something violent towards you".

Name one Zionist politician who has said that without lying. How does mostly peaceful protest taunt violence?

"Mostly, you do not use logic. You protest every. Single. Thing. You. Can."

People in a (so-called) democracy have the right to dissent or disagree. If everyone gave blind patriotic support to the government, you would have a fascist state. If something is wrong, people like us will protest every. Single. Time. We. Can. Again. And. Again. Until. The. Wrong. No. Longer. Exists.

It’s never been about anti-Semitic, it’s merely about injustice and occupation, there are large numbers of Jewish people around the world who hate and disapprove of what the Zionism regime has been doing to a starving and powerless people in the name of Jewish people.

Check this Link to see groups of Jews against Zionism and their crime against the Palestinian. http://www.nkusa.org/

"Zionism is to Palistine as Feminism is to the Child.
In order to assert one right, the other must die."

Except that many Feminists have children.

"None are evil in their own right. Who denies the importance of Isreal to the Jew? No-one."

The problem with this argument is that most Jews are happy to live in countries that are not Israel.

"--- They don't have a choice. Get over it."

Everyone has a choice. There have been a number of situations where Jews opposed to what the Israeli Army does have refused to serve in it or have ignored orders that were criminal.

"And targeting civilians isn't the way to do it. Which is what Hamas has been doing since they came to power. Or did you forget about that?"

Hamas are not perfect. I give critical support to the underdog in this, the Palestinians. I will repeat what I wrote earlier: Hamas are not the only political party or organisation that represents Palestinian people.

"-- Narp. Use your own logic. You don't like how Jews go about doing something, you must be antisemitic. Well, that's the view alot of you seem to hold."

I have no problem with how MOST Jews go about doing something. What I do have is a problem with how a political group of Jews, who are NOT the majority, who call themselves Zionists, do things.
Also how can you be antisemitic if you support the self-determination of a semitic people: Palestinians?

"-- So if they're voted in, then them launching missles at Israel must clearly be an act of War. Yet no, you stay silent for that."

Ofcourse it is an act of war... However this war has been going on for most of the 60 years since Palestine was first invaded by Zionist settlers. A few rockets, who have killed about 13 people, is mild when compared with the nine hundred or so Palestinians the State of Israel has killed since the start of this latest conflict.

"-- Only wrong in your eyes. If the majority of people believe it's right, then who are you to go around breaking windows or harassing people walking down the street? Democracy, the majoirty rules."

My eyes are the ones that count to me. Stop being a bleating sheep and start to question what people in authority say and do. They are not always right.

Democracy, the 'majoirty' rules in Gaza too, under Hamas... Oh but if a government commits 'terrorist' acts it must be EVIL.

Video: Hamas Rockets Fired from Schoolyard During 'Humanitarian Cease Fire'

Video | Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:47:53 am PST

During the January 8th “cease fire” to allow humanitarian supplies to enter Gaza:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32425

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Here is Hamas "Member of Parliament" Fathi Hammad, bragging about the Hamas use of human shields.

Fathi Hammad: "[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

CLick on link to play video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y&eurl=http://drybonesblog....

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Hamas raids aid trucks, sells supplies

Jan. 12, 2009
YAAKOV KATZ and JPost.com staff , THE JERUSALEM POST
Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.

The IDF said that since terminal activity is coordinated with UNRWA and the Red Cross, Israel could do nothing to prevent such raids, Israel Radio reported.

Between 10 a.m. to 1 p.m., the army had ceased all military activity in Gaza and once again established a "humanitarian corridor" to help facilitate the transfer of the supplies.

The Kerem Shalom and Karni crossings had been opened to allow in the aid trucks.

Security officials at Kerem Shalom thwarted an attempt to smuggle electrical goods, disguised as humanitarian supplies, into Gaza. The electrical goods included computers, infra-red cameras, ovens, microwaves and other electronic equipment.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak has forbidden the entry of electronics to Gaza since the goods do not fall under the category of humanitarian aid. Some electronic equipment has been let in as per an official Palestinian request, such as equipment used to repair the damaged electrical grid in Gaza.

Meanwhile, Israel is considering establishing a field hospital in the Gaza Strip to treat Palestinian civilians wounded in fighting between the IDF and Hamas.

The plan would be to establish the field hospital outside the Gaza Strip, but the IDF is also considering the possibility of erecting the hospital inside the Palestinian territory so it will be more accessible to the Palestinian population. It would be run by the IDF Medical Corps.

Also Monday, in an effort to promote Israeli humanitarian efforts in the Gaza Strip, the Defense Ministry launched a new Web site that provides a live video feed of the Kerem Shalom cargo crossing, through which international organizations have been transferring basic foods and medical supplies to Gaza.

The footage can be viewed at: http://www.mod.gov.il/pages/general/Maavar-Kerem-Shalom.asp. Since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead, the IDF has facilitated the transfer of close to 900 trucks into the Gaza Strip with over 20,000 tons of basic foods and medical supplies.

According to an army estimate on Monday, slightly over 900 Palestinians have been killed since Operation Cast Lead began in December 2008. Based on intelligence and information obtained by the Gaza Coordination and Liaison Administration, the IDF has determined that at least 400 of those killed are known Hamas operatives. The IDF further believes that among the remaining 500, a significant number are also Hamas operatives.

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