Further 'Operation 8' arrest in Auckland

arohanui ki tena wahine, kia kaha, ka tu kotahi taatou, me
Ka Whaiwhai Tonu Maatou, Ake Ake Ake!

when you play with guns (there has been no violence) and you are not in the state army, and not playing games in Afghanistan for the US military.

Why does this internet site attract so many weirdos? Just look at this dan charactor for example.

http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/75113/index.php

NZ police and SIS - playing Americas game in Aotearoa.

Police wannabe FBI and SIS wannabe the CIA.
stop watching hollywood movies..!!!

Word is out that some of those arrested have had a zillion new charges added. Is there any truth to that?

Some of those dudes shouldn't have been playing guns if they didn't have licenses to do so. Coulda saved themselves a whole lot of trouble probably.

Cops may have overreacted but maybe these guys should have thought about what they were doing and how they were doing it and there would never have been this mess in the first place.

skinheads have done that, and they didn't get raided.

survival camp anyone? http://www.surviveclub.org.nz

"Take illegal possesion of guns"
There were no illegal weapons. Noone has been charged with being in possession of an illegal weapon.

"funny how the authors of this are deleting any comments they find challenging and too hard to answer."

What question did you ask that was too hard to answer?

"So much for free speech, so long as its what you want to hear and fits in with the group think"

Interesting you say freedom of speech yet you or someone in similar thinking to you, then go on to allude that those that apparently had a few dim conversations should be arrested for what they said.

BTW I get pissed off with that freedom of speech rhetoric, for starters try walking into any building, shop, institution in this country and have a big old rave about the state of the nation. Youd last about 10 minutes before the bill arrived and escorted you out. Thats not freedom of speech in action, thats just being an arsehole.

Freedom of speech exists when a government or hierachy allows people to speak their mind [without fear of arrest]....that doesnt mean you can go anywhere you like and rant on without someone showing you the door for being a pain in the arse. Dont get those two mixed up, theyre not the same thing.

There has never been any official statement allowing freedom of speech here in nz anyways.

Nowhere in the Bill of Rights are you guaranteed freedom of speech. The sedition laws existed to the end of last year which made it a jailable offence to speak in certain anti government points of view.

The Terrorism Suppression Act is the current legislation which allows the police to arrest you based on your political opinions.

What the Bill of Rights does say is: You have the right not to be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention.

That means all those in Ruatoki that were detained on Oct 15 were done so against the Bill of Rights...If the police used their powers to do so based on the terror suppression act then the TSA contradicts the BofR and needs to be repealed.

Bill of Rights also says you have the right to: Be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Tuhoe arrestees are presumed guilty because of the media leaks and also because of the reverse onus function in law which by the time these people go to trial they would have already been proven guilty by association (reverse onus), therefore by the time the trial comes it will be the guilty trying to prove themselves innocent.

Again, going against the Bill of Rights. Now thats something to have a good old rant about, not whether or not someone editted your post. Those issues are real, disturbing, and its happening right in front of us.

Mr Plod and his mind-numbed supporters have and will always be between you and your futures, thats just a fact of life. All I can say is, good on you all, we stand behind you and believe in the mana motuhake o tuhoe, through thick and thin.

TUUHOE H@RDKORE AU AU AU!!!

U know its always funny when u contribute to a thread that immediately the over reactionaries will resort to abuse and throw in a homosexual overtone ..a ploy to distract from the original discussion..ive only met Tame Iti once..we talked politics and i have nothing against what he or Tuhoe stand for..funnily enough i was dutifully ignored by a prominent Indymedia writer over dinner recently as well..think theres a lot of things that they find hard to stomach..that theyre lil training mission was busted..that there covert activities was like running a tinnie house out of a creche..yep..no doubt the theres a heinous amount of trumped up charges..but kids..u stir up the political cauldron you ll get your finger burnt...so stop whinging..and nothing inhibits the way i live..i dont keep my head in a political or legal maelstrom..i move around and do as i please...and i choose to live in the country..u city slickers all know best..im just a bumpkin..what would i know...El Rabia Wanganui.

Thats a bit silly Rab 'the hippy' to accuse commenters of using anonymonity while you yourself are doing the same thing.

Its a complex issue that has been dumbed down by the MSM and delivered as babyfood to the masses to easily swallow.

You tried to come across as someone who is in the know but the stuff you are saying is NO different to the bi-lines used in the police media campaign, and in [every] mainstream media report on the issue.

The only media bothering to look into the deeper issues on this matter are Indymedia, Maori Television and Al Jazeera.

If you were THAT in the know you would also know that all of these people arrested on October 15 2007 have complete support within the Tuhoe Nation and that nation has publicly stated it so several times.

So why you bother to single out anarchists as some sort of separate entity indicates that you have a separate beef with them or intentionally intend to belittle their involvement in supporting Tuhoe.

Gina Anderson
Whangaparaoa

for all u other undercovers [as we all know..anybody can be bought for $500pw these days}..Rab is my real name..naw no beef..just trying to get a jist of what was going on by using the same insulting tactics as deployed by others on this [!]..probably should read Against Freedom..ive got a copy..and Gina..im no political ignanormous [only on this thread!]..but thanks for the tips..

"Hi its Rab again...i got more info from this than here!"

Its a good article and no surprise that the foreign media could produce one of the most balanced mainstream media reports covering most of the basic issues surrounding Tuhoe.

There are some excellent articles and commentaries on Indymedia too that at times dig deeper than what is raised in that press piece.

"Oh for anyone who wants to do a check"

Hey thats great stuff, it is always the best policy to reveal who you are before accusing others of hiding behind anonyminity.

Corupt Cop in NZ Broad is a corupt cop,using his position to get out of breaking the law