Props to all the event organisers around the country, it is so great to see these issues in the media and getting the attention they deserve!

My report on the Auckland event is here:
spanblather.blogspot.com/2007/03/marching-forward-together.html

Span

I can believe the woman was upset and frustrated in her attempt to present her history of sexual abuse, but why did she try to present it as part of a very angry and potentially volatile demonstration? Of course the Police were not going to let her through and I believe this was the response wanted by the woman (and those who perhaps put her up to it).

You can not lay siege on a building and also expect entrance.

I believe the Police exercised great restraint and should be applauded. Antagonists were in their faces, shouting and the Police acted with great professionalism.

I hope the woman who tried to present her history was supported by the march organisers and helped by them to present her case in a less threatening manner, post march. But, I imagine she was supported only so far as she could be thrown up as another example of perceived rampant Police injustice.

I would also like to say that graffiti is not a valid form of expression. Especially not where free speech is easily available to all in a mass media format of which this website is an example. Graffiti is just a shameless act of vandalism.

The police had absolutely no valid reason to deny her entry. It was completely obvious that only one woman was intending to enter, for a clearly explained legitimate purpose, and the bulk of the hundreds of protesters were standing well back. Blocking her was nothing but pointless cruelty to someone in an emotionally vulnerable position. The police did a great job of showing that their problem isn't just a few bad apples.

The bulk of the protesters may well have been standing back (although I did not see that happen), but not all. Perhaps they did not wish to recognise her legitimate complaint and it is they who are at fault. Not very sympathetic behaviour given what they were there for.

Given the nature of the protest and the very apparent level of anger the Police could not have let her through as it is very easy to see that this would have precipitated a rush of 'protestors'.

It looked like a publicity stunt and probably was. If it wasn't, she should have realised that it was not an appropriate way to register her complaint at that time. The phone would have been a better method, as an example. There were other avenues open. Choosing the most public, with easily foreseeable results, does not engender much sympathy.

how dare you say what the most appropriate way is for a woman to complain about sexual abuse.

This shows how far away the bulk of the protesters were: indymedia.org.nz/usermedia/image/10/jfrs2.jpg
There was NO possibility of a rush of protesters.

You may be right. But, I can't see the woman in this photo. I have no idea if it was taken while she was trying to gain entrance or not, so at this stage I am still not convinced.

how can speech be free when it has to be paid for? Ups to the graffiti-ist

I didn't realise it cost to post on this site.

Interesting that the liberal blogosphere is pretty much unanimous in condemning the one speaker at the Auckland march who suggested that perhaps the problem was not just a couple of bad, bad men who somehow managed to infiltrate the noble New Zealand Police Force, but a problem with the very nature of that force.

That might have something to do with the fact that Rape Crisis and Auckland Sexual Health have rather expensive contracts with the Police. Not to say that these organisations aren't entitled to defend their livelihood, but they shouldn't have been allowed to dictate the politics of the entire march. Shame on the (unelected) "organisers" who let this happen.

NICE WORK LADIES

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I was inpsired to see on TV the strength of numbers, passion and strength of the protestors. Thanks so much to the organisers and the people who were there - an awesome sight. I thought the grafitti on the court house doors was a breathtaking act of bravery.

I do, however, question the burning of effigies, though. It conjurs images of klu klux klan or nazi germany. I think it only serves to inspire hatred and cause further division.

Everything else about the protest was incredible. (Wasn't there because I don't live in Aklnd or Wgtn - did attend the local event here in PNth.)

Cheers,
Helen

kia ora helen,

i saw your post on a blog which read "There was a vigil against violence in Palmerston North last night, too! (Somehow we always don't make the political radar...)". There is heaps of people out there, particularly people who visit indymedia, who'd love to know what's happening in Palmerston North. Just publish an article on indymedia if you wanna.

smush - one of the AIMC editors

Unauthorised Graffiti can not be described as an act of bravery. If you start thinking that way then killing a police officer must be the utmost in daring. Of course, if you start thinking that way you have no place in society do you?

if you also want to explain the connection between killing a policeman and "unthorised graffiti" that would probuably help to understand what you are trying to bring accross. No offend, but as you wrote it here it's simply ridicolous.

If ways of expression like graffities are no longer part of our political work because it's illigal, then we can't strike any more (apart from demanding "higher wages"), any kind of protest that is not officially registered at the police is no longer part of our movement (the march in auckland was not officially registered) and even a sticker that we stick somewhere in the public shouldn't be a way of communicating.

I can only ask you, how do you really make a difference if direct action ("illigal!") is not right to your opinion?

and if we can have our message in every mass media, then I really want to have your contacts, because mass media is usually not very interested in activism against capitalism, since they have to earn money and the people who give them money are not keen on anticapitalism.
Free speech? Yeah, righ!

I have no problem explaining myself. The breaking of one law and then glorifying it certainly makes breaking the next one easier does it not? Everyone who ends up committing capital crimes started off small and progressed further and further as they become more confident with their current action. One day you'll decide grafitti is no longer generating the impact that you believe it should and so you progress. If you justify one illegal action, you can justify any illegal action. It is that simple.

I am quite sure if the organisers had registered the march it would have been accepted within the guidelines required to organise a safe protest. So there was no need to make this your first illegal action.

Placing stickers or graffiti requires someone to clean it up. What right does anyone have to expect other people to clean up after them for no reward? Or do you propose going around and cleaning up all of the grafitti and stickers etc that were used to promote your message? If you do, then well done.

Is this website not an example of mass media? If there are not enough visitors to the site for your needs then it is up to you to do the hard yards and promote the site to everyone you know. Networking is a fantastic and powerful tool.

The Media will notice when you have a single coherent message. They certainly notice you now because of the rabble rousers with their slogans of "Police Rapists". Sure, that generates interest, but it is short lived and detrimental to your cause. Taking the time to organise will get you noticed. Look at what Nelson Mandela acheived with peaceful protest where he did not advocate breaking any laws. He worked within them to produce results and what a powerful result it was. Are you saying you can not do the same or are you saying you don't have enough time? If that is the case, then you do not believe in your cause.

"the breaking of one law and then glorifying it vertainly makes breaking the next one easier does it not?"
You entirely missed the point. Just because someone sees it as ok to spraypaint a building it doesn't mean that this person sees it ok to kill a human being. So I think that spraypainting and smoking mariuhanna is ok, but killing someone and taking heroin is to my values not ok. Still a law against it won't help people to understand why it's nothing they should consider.
Ergo - activists usually have values that replace laws and that makes it possible to also question laws that don't make sence.

"Placing stickers or graffiti requires someone to clean up"
I don't spraypaint a building or place a sticker somewhere that someone else takes it off or cleans it away. I want these messages to stay there as long as possible. If people clean it up they act in the name of the state, who tries to repress these messages.

The reason why this page is not "mass media" but a rather small media is because 1) we do not have the ressources that mass media has and 2) indymedia requires partisipation not only consupmtion since this is the idea behind it

yes it is powerful, but not powerful enough - so far. and you don't have to tell me to promote a side I'm actively involved with

No I don't believe in letting the laws restrict our activism. This is because I don't believe in doing activism to change a little within the system, I work to abolish the whole system and biult a new one.

I believe you missed my point. If everyone did what they wanted based on their individual values then we would have a problem wouldn't we?

Street cleaners are repressing your message as part of a state sanctioned program? I had no idea.

Your comments seem to revolve around "I want something and I want it now." My message is the same, put the time in and don't bemoan what you haven't got. Talk about what you do have and how to make it work for you.

You're to abolish the whole system? I assume you have a well thought out, developed document that others can read that explains the system you will replace it with? It is something I for one would love to read. Convince me and I will commit everything I have to what you propose as I would to anything I truly believed in.

Who is Josh?
Another 'liberal' armchair critic with one foot in the grave and the other firmly in the establishment camp.
Grafitti today, murder tomorrow - yeah right!

I am who I am. I didn't realise I needed a label. I see you are too ashamed to post anything under a name though. I guess you don't have the strength of conviction for anything you say.

One foot in the grave? Not even close. I have travelled a lot, participated in various voluntary services for the Government and have lived a lot of life. So it may be that I am not as closed minded as some or as interested in empty rhetoric.

I guess by establishment you mean society since you can't have one without the other. Then yes, I am a part of that.

What is the fascination with Yeah Right? That marketing campaign seems to have had a real impact on a few people. Hard to tell though as they are all 'anonymous'. Maybe they are all one person. In which case it seems to be sarcasm making a weak attempt at wit.

Substance over assumptions is always a good start.

Josh - your name is just as anonymous as "anonymous" posters-we still don't know you from a bar of soap- why don't you put your full name and address down? :)
A lot of people who visit this site don't believe in laws. A good example of the ridiculousness of laws is the fact that people like Rickards get away with gang rape. In an anarchist society those types of people would have been dealt with by using 'community justice'.
Demofem

Ha ha ha. No fear, I don't want any night time visits. If I thought you were heading round for a cup of tea, you'd have it, but I'm not sure that's your intention :).

What I meant by the anonymous comment is that is impossible to follow a persons thoughts in here as everyone is posting anonymously. It's good to see you've started putting your name against yours. I like to know who is responding to what I have said and what they have said before. Context is important.

Anarchist society is mob rule. How much rape do you think there would really be in this type of environment? Gangs, which you would probably call 'collectives' would thrive. Do you really think women would thrive in an environment where physical strength wins? Not everyone in an anarchist society will have the same views as you. I used to think that 'Rational Anarchy' (I know it's an oxymoron, but it is a real structure), had a place, but I no longer believe this either.

Josh - your name is just as anonymous as "anonymous" posters-we still don't know you from a bar of soap- why don't you put your full name and address down? :)
A lot of people who visit this site don't believe in laws. A good example of the ridiculousness of laws is the fact that people like Rickards get away with gang rape. In an anarchist society those types of people would have been dealt with by using 'community justice'.
Demofem

Josh -

Why exactly are you posting here with your liberal anti-violence nonsense?
You pretend to support rape victims and in the same moment accuse a rape victim of being a drama queen put up to it by other women and applaud police restraint when it is so obvious (even on TV) that they pushed the woman down the stairs as soon as her back was turned.

Who are you to declare what is a valid form of expression? And how easily available is free speech in our mass media really? Do you know how many people can afford the money and time for websites like this one or newspapers, radio and TV?

I find your comments shameless.

Please are there men out there who cannot say something stupid on this issue?

1) Because I thought this site was about free speech. Am I wrong?
2) I will support anyone who has been wronged. This includes the Police.
3) See first response. It is exceptionally easy and cheap to create these kinds of websites these days. They come almost out of the box, they are open source and the only monetary cost is hosting fees. Of course, I am not trying to negate the efforts of the people who put this site together. The other real cost is that it takes a lot of time to setup and administer and it is great that there are people like the authors of this site who are prepared to do that.

Nelson Mandela was put in prison for promoting the use of bombs Josh, you idiot!

And besides laws are ridiculous. They are there to control us to some small groups of people's ideas of how society should behave. Once we break one law, we realise how ridiculous they all are. That's why we keep breaking more and more and more.

Yes Josh you are who you are: a bigot.

According to your reasoning:

1) Killing and maiming people with bombs is good
2) There is no need for law so rape is ok
3) You are the authority on idiots and bigots

I don't think your comments will have any impact on Josh.

He was, but he did not achieve anything until he quit the armed wing of the ANC.

I am pretty sure, but I may be wrong that he is a huge advocate for peaceful protest. It seemed that violence was just an error of his youth which he thankfully learned from.

Rubbish, Mandela insisted on the right to oppose apartheid by any means necessary right up to its collapse, and refused release from prison if it was conditional on him rejecting violence.

(And after he became president he trotted off to Indonesia to offer the government good deals on South African arms - the occupation of East Timor notwithstanding - very peaceable guy!)

Perhaps you could look to Tolstoy for a pacifist icon (he was an anarchist, might not suit you).
- Sam Buchanan

Who makes those people clean up the graffiti?

Probably the Council.

Josh you would have loved living under the Taliban - no grafitti, no messy emotional demos to distress you, and women kept firmly in their place.

And I would imagine you would love being a reporter for the NZ Truth. You can make as many unsubstantiated, ridiculous comments as you like.

Pics from the christchurch vigil can be had here

katipo.net.nz/stanselen/

I have recently made a complaint to the Broadcasting Standards Authority about a programme on TVNZ that was according to me intrusive and derogative. It is not my first complaint and I'm familiar with their process. It is a carbon copy of all other bureaucratic organisations complaints' proceedings. At first you are required to quote which section of the BSA or Act in question, and then provide a valid reasoning related to the issue. The research can be quite time consuming. Yet after all your efforts in quotations and analyses, you get a harsh response, something like; 'The programme did not do such and such, and therefore we won't take any action. It is the end of the matter'.

The reply usually does not provide a reason for the decision, let alone a professional one at that. The authoritative decision is based on the concerned officer's discretion alone, is a rule of thumb. And all violations of your human rights, and sometimes consumer's rights, seem to be dealt with this way. It certainly makes you feel like applying the rule of nature, which is further investigation with a baseball bat. Not that I would, but I know someone who did. The rule of thumb is a mental assault violating your intelligence, feelings, and emotions. So if violence begets violence, the reason is scientifically explained in the process of cause and effect, or under human nature - a reaction to a provocation.

The last time I saw a lawyer on a Human Rights enquiry cost me $700 for waiting half an hour in his corporate waiting room. It is then that I discovered that Lawyers Society or something is basically to serve their own interest. This brings me to the point that men among some minority groups' rights are being trampled upon in a big way in New Zealand. It is lacking representations.

I know that a lot of these folks are resigned to the fact that it's a waste of time attempting to pursue human rights simply because it's they don't get anywhere and it's too violent to the mind, and emotions. It's a wonder why some folks take extreme action when such treatments are dished down during times of hardship and desperation. That is; possible trends resulting from violation of human rights, mental and emotional violence, and non-representation gives rise to violence against authorities, depression, and worse...

And there you have it. The meaning behind violence whether physical and mental or emotional is where individuals are drawn to the conflicts ensuring the social relations of a Socialist agenda are maintained. If we stay cool and stick with what is right, Feminazi among other gangs can do all their best to intimidate, corrupt, and what have you, would only backfire on Capitalism itself. It is the reaction to provocation that turns the wheel of Capitalism. Just take a look at those who are involved with propaganda in all levels of life, and you will know for sure it's Capitalism.

Dont forget when you finish your party, put all those empty beer bottles in the recycle bin to clean up from loitering the environment..

Clearly off topic.

This is 100% unsubstantiated of course, but in my opinion Josh is a self-rightous pendantic arsehole who should set up his own blog to give full rein to his barren logic.
His 'voluntary services for the Government' include working as an unsworn officer for the cops, hence his support for the rapist cops getting off.
Nelson H. Mandela

My "barren logic" as opposed to your what exactly?

I never said I was unsworn.

anarchism would involve less oppression as any one person's ability to oppress others would be very limited and easily countered by others. it is concentrated power which allows for easy oppression. with equality oppressoin wouldn't be as possible as it is now with huge resources for those in power to oppress other groups.

If this type of system would have worked, it would have happened naturally as civilisation came about. The fact that it didn't means it will never work.

Wow. How can you argue with this sort of 'logic'?

"what is unaccustomed seems unnatual and what is accustomed seems natural." so little is understood about human nature that the potential of any aspect of it, negative or positive, is largely untested and unknown. civilisation did not come about 'naturally'. it came about because families who controlled the seed stores when humanity first settled into permanent settlements became more powerful over time and convinced themselves they were superior to the rest of us. this lie is still with us today with our so-called leaders believing most people unfit to rule themselves.

Isn't that Marx's notion of false consciousness, I'm no expert on Marxism, my basic idea of it is that what might seem so natural to us, could really just be the product of growing up in a environment saturated in a hegemony of consumerism and capitalism. For real consciousness to develop we need people to open the minds of others, I think that protest is valid way forward.
To Josh, my friend, you should understand that what your saying is so apparent, so obvious to everyone that it is all most comical. so do the world a favor and try to think a little bit further than our current ideological paradigm. because right now all the only words i can think of is cultural inertia. To me you represent the stagnant waters of society.

Isn't that Marx's notion of false consciousness, I'm no expert on Marxism, my basic idea of it is that what might seem so natural to us, could really just be the product of growing up in a environment saturated in a hegemony of consumerism and capitalism. For real consciousness to develop we need people to open the minds of others, I think that protest is a valid way forward.
To Josh, my friend, you should understand that what your saying is so apparent, so obvious to everyone that it is all most comical. so do the world a favor and try to think a little bit further than the current ideological paradigm. because right now all the only words i can think of is cultural inertia. To me you represent the stagnant waters of society.

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