Aotearoa is mainly capitalist property.
Much of it is already bought and sold many times over to local and foreign capitalists.
So what exactly is the point of the protest?

Surely it is the fact of capitalist property that is the problem, not the nationality of who owns it.

This protest kaupapa seems to have pulled way back from anti-capitalism to anti-neoliberalism.

Take back Aotearoa from the bosses!
For a Socialist Republic of Aotearoa!

www.strike.co.nz

The main objective of this protest is to raise awareness of the fact that this agreement is under negotiation, it has been left quite open at the moment as is the agenda at the forum. It is left open to anybody to come and protest against this particular agreement and corporate control of NZ in general. First things first, let us alert New Zealanders of the perils and repercussions of signing such an agreement, then we can build opposition around this.

I too am a bit disappointed at the way many activists are moderating their messages in order to draw in the yuppie liberals. The problem isn't foreign ownership as such, it's private ownership itself.

of course, there is always room for more radical groups to come out on the left of this campaign. stop complaining on indy and start doing stuff yourself

Totally agree with you... people should get off their asses and do something instead of bitchin about the job people ARE doing.

Dale

come along and argue against private ownership if you want...!

"The problem isn't foreign ownership as such, it's private ownership itself."

Why don't you put put your address up here so we can liberate your possessions or don't you practice what you preach.

111 Highgate, Roslyn, Dunedin. Better move fast, I'm moving out in a few months!

i dont own the land where i live or the building - do u want my clothes or something?

Maybe, what size are you?

By the way I only wear tsubi or diesel jeans

"If you want fair trade, a healthy society, an inclusive economy and a peaceful planet, then come out on the streets on September 10, and let the government know, NZ IS NOT FOR SALE"

This is a statement taken from the 'Learn More' page of this campaign blog. What do we 'learn'?

This statement amounts to anti-neo-liberalism, not anti-capitalism. It suggests that the reasons we don't have these things is neo-liberalism, a sort of rougeish aberrant rampant globalism that can be roped and pacified by street action, hopefully built up to Bolivarian proportions.

But this sort of action is not a united front because the OBJECT OF THE PROTEST IS TO TELL LABOUR we want these things, as if we will then get them. Putting demands on a capitalist government can only work when workers are in a position of power and when the bosses are forced into concessions. Such power only comes from workers power to shut down industry and society.

If you want to put "first things first" you could start by building a united front that does not beg the government of the class enemy to change its spots, but that instead builds a campaign to occupy and control, and therefore socialise, the key industries that we need to run a healthy, peaceful society.

For example, to reject a FTA that allows complete privatisation of health, we should start by uniting and coordinating all health workers against the EXISTING privatised elements of health.

The campaign against Spotless, should be extended into a campaign to unite all health workers to throw out the management and the private contractors, including the medical specialists, and run the service themselves to meet the peoples' needs.

Of course this would bypass any legal action under a FTA as a Labour govt would send in the cops right away, but that would at least make it clear that street action isnt going to stop Labour from signing a FTA and privatising remaining services.

Dave Brown

The US partnership with Iraq started with an illegal war, and sustained by lives of innocent troops, ordinary folks like some of us who are struggling against multi internationals. While Mr. Bush is drawing on the Vietnam experience to excite partisan support, Clinton is calling for the head of Maliki. The Iraq US partnership is totally controlled by the US force; Iraqis are subjected to desperate measures including dispossession, displacement, poverty, and slaughter.
There is a living reminder of what power can do the innocents, when body bags arrive from the Middle East. Who is fighting the war for the rich, who is benefiting from Fonterra’s milk or biofuel, who is benefiting from BNZ, don’t be surprised that it’s never you the ordinary New Zealander, Kiwi bloke and his dog. (All the women folk have turned PC)
So I can’t wait to shove my banner up Mr. Bush caravan come September 9th..

Some of the posts that are no more radical than what’s been considered in these forums are merely removed because it happens to front the truth to Western Ideologies. If this site wishes to keep such a fascist stand, then it should remove the Public Domain right it claims to have and replaces it with a pro Western only site.
That makes a difference in fundamentals such as free speech, and outright racism. Frankly if you can’t handle the truth and constructive criticism of systems in places, then shut down and hide in your own bedroom, and stay away from the public domain.
Booh

Not much constructive debate here it seems.

Readers might be interested in what CWG was saying about free trade and APEC in 1999. The limits of anti-neo-liberalism are spelled out also in a review of Chomsky.

www.geocities.com/communistworker/cs25.html

Well Dear ole godzone narrowly escaped the Australian Health Scam .. this involves a bigger deal than a la Brash .. an American satrap is something to be with a tweedle dum and tweedle dee.. a satrap is something to be.

Jump into bed with them and we might end up like Iraq or Israel ..

‘Free trade’ or protectionism – it’s business as usual

Philip Ferguson

September in Auckland sees the second United States New Zealand Partnership Forum. The Forum is organised by the NZ US Council (in the US it's called the US NZ Council). The Council was established in 1986 to foster communication between US and NZ imperialism, ironically at a point when US-NZ relations appeared to be at an all- time low. Appearances, however, can be deceptive.

While the New Zealand ruling class banned US warships from entering port here, the Labour government of David Lange, like the National Party governments which preceded and followed it, was completely committed to a close economic and political relationship with the US. This is not because New Zealand's ruling class is subordinate to the US, but because it has common interests with the United States' rulers as part of the Western imperialist bloc.

However, New Zealand's rulers, as imperialists in their own right, also have specific interests of their own. Thus, as the Cold War approached its end, they were able to assert their own power in the Pacific in a more independent manner. Indeed, the anti-nuclear ban showed that New Zealand was not some underling of the US but an independent imperialist player, albeit a junior one. Behind the no-nukes ban, Labour stepped up New Zealand's conventional force military activity in the Pacific to levels not seen since WW2, and waved the big stick at any Pacific country, like Vanuatu, which dared assert any degree of sovereignty.

(Indeed, NZ's ruling elite has a long history of economic plunder and political interference and repression in the Pacific.) Free trade a key focus of the NZ US Council at present is assisting New Zealand in convincing a reluctant US government to agree to a free trade agreement. Again, since New Zealand is not some kind of neo-colony or semi-colony, New Zealand business would be the chief recipient of such a deal. The New Zealand market, for instance, is not especially important to American firms, but the US market has massive possibilities for New Zealand exporters.

New Zealand meat and dairy exporters, for instance, produce more efficiently than their heavily government-subsidised and government-protected equivalents in the United States. They want a free trade deal in order to boost their profits in the lucrative US market.

This is a very different reality from that being presented by many who are protesting the Forum in Auckland. The protests have an essentially New Zealand nationalist flavour and present this country as some kind of colony, or near-colony, of the US. Such politics serve to obscure the real interests of New Zealand’s own ruling exploiters, the very people with the most to gain from a free trade deal with the United States.

For anyone interested in promoting the interests of NZ workers, it is immaterial whether the New Zealand ruling class, or any section of it, favours free trade or protectionism. These are simply ways in which the exploiting class does business and each form of trade is designed to benefit business – or, at least, the sections of it which are dominant at any point in time. In the US, those capitalist sectors unable to compete with imports favour protectionism and the US government dutifully protects them just as successive NZ governments protected business here for decades. Protectionism in the US inhibits NZ business opportunities there, so exporters and the NZ government want a free trade deal with the United States.

That's why Phil Goff, addressing the US Chamber of Commerce in Washington DC in May this year, talked about an "open international economy" being "part of the liberty that was hard won by the democracies in World War two and the Cold War." Goff went on to extol the virtues of neo-liberal reform and an open economy in New Zealand in order to convert US business to the same view. In fact, in his May speech Goff regaled his American listeners with how subsidies and protection had been removed from the agricultural sector in NZ in the 1980s with, according to him, splendid results.

Goff went on to state that "the next logical step" in the "strong mature relationship" between NZ and the US is for Washington to agree to a free trade deal.

In other words, it is not a bullying US which is trying to force a free trade deal on New Zealand, it is a cajoling NZ government and business sector which is trying to win American business and government around to embracing neo-liberalism and an open economy with the same zeal that Goff and his colleagues in government in New Zealand did in the 1980s.

Labour and National twins

The NZ US Council and its Partnership Forums also reveal the degree of unanimity between Labour and National and their commitment to the interests of NZ business above all else.

The 2006 Forum, for instance, involved former Labour and National prime ministers (Mike Moore and Jim Bolger respectively), Goff and David Cunliffe from Labour, Don Brash, Tim Groser and Murray McCully from National, and the presidents of both NZ Business (Stephen

Collins) and the CTU (Ross Wilson), as well as important figures from various NZ businesses and government departments, including the secretary of defence (Graham Fortune).

NZ imperialism

The focus of the Forum and the NZ US Council is interesting in another way. Both sets of imperialists desire stability – ie the peaceful maintenance of inequality and exploitation – in the Pacific. NZ, along with Australia, has hegemony in most of the south Pacific, outside France's direct colonies, and the US rules over the northern Pacific. This is a division of labour which benefits the NZ ruling class and allows it to intervene at will in places such as the Solomons and Tonga and to threaten places such as Fiji. The south Pacific has long been regarded as some kind of colonial extension of New Zealand. Indeed, as early as the 1860s, NZ businessmen and politicians were talking of a great south Pacific empire centred on NZ and they set about trying to grab as many of the islands as possible.

Unfortunately for the NZ ruling class, the French, British, Americans and Germans were bigger and got there first. However, NZ was able to grab the Cooks and Nuie and, during WW1, invade and take over Samoa. Under NZ rule, at least a quarter of the population of Samoa died of influenza thanks to the callousness of the NZ colonial administration. When Samoans protested peacefully for independence, their movement was suppressed and shot off the streets.

After WW2, NZ shifted into a close alliance with the US as the best way to enhance NZ interests in the Pacific. Indeed, most of the western imperialists accepted US leadership during the Cold War.

With the demise of the Soviet Union, inter-imperialist tensions and contradictions have become more pronounced. In the Middle East, for instance, NZ has different interests to the US. NZ business requires lucrative markets there for meat and other agricultural exports and so has no desire to antagonise the peoples of the region. The NZ government, following the interests of NZ business, therefore decided not to send combat troops to Iraq – although they did send armed engineers just in time to allow NZ business to bid for "reconstruction" contracts. In the case of the Middle East, NZ capital's interests have more in common with French, German and Russian capital – and the NZ government took the according political stand.

Finding the right target

The simple fact is that the NZ government operates both at home and abroad in accord with the interests of NZ capital. This means more exploitation of NZ workers through the intensification of work, insecure jobs, falling real wages since 1984, and growing social inequality. And it means more NZ interference in other people's countries, especially in the Pacific.

The people who plan to protest at the September United States New Zealand Partnership Forum about imaginary US "domination" of NZ would be better to use this occasion to protest against the very real NZ domination and interference in island nations in the south Pacific, and to draw attention to the role of New Zealand's ruling class.

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Worth thinking about, no?

Cheers for that info. It makes a lot of sense.

Good article from workers partyNZ.
Changed my perspective just slightly I think.

But is it simple greed on the part of our big business,or straussian elite leading the masses ideas?

Mike.E

Phil NZ capitalism IS dominated by US imperialism.
The reality of that is what motivates the anti-neo-liberals and the economic nationalists like CAFCA and Kelsey to see something 'progressive' in defending NZ as a capitalist country.

You won't get them to abandon this undeniable aspect of reality by counter-posing an unreal fanciful picture of a NZ imperialism standing up to the US as some sort of major threat to the Pacific. For every token raised finger (no nukes, no Iraq) there are profound fawnings, SAS in Afghanistan, UN cops in Lebanon and Timor holding hands with NATO and Aussie imperialism, and there are the Waihopais and spy sagas from Sutch to Zaoui.

If the NZ imperialists are so independent how come they have no say over the local siting of a global positioning system that steers the US nukes to their targets?!? Imagine Putin or Ahmadinajad saying OK to such installations and they are not even imperialists.

NZ's sucking up deputy dog posture is readily explicable in terms of its semi-colonial status. Most of the key sectors of the economy have been foreign owned since colonisation. Take the Banks. We will one day.

It wont be long before the last big holdouts, the dairy farmers, accept tradeable shares so that Fonterra can become an internationally owned corporate.

How come the richest people in NZ made the billions from selling up undervalued state assets and are now living overseas? Is Graeme Hart a NZ imperialist?

Face it Phil, NZ capital is owned or 'dominated' by overseas monopoly imperialist capital. Homegrown capitalists are puny or gone overseas to join the big boys and girls. That's why the economic nationalists have such a hard time finding a national bourgeoisie to latch on to and are now desperately trying to dream up a local Chavez (maybe Matt) who can take power by the ballot and roll back the neo-liberals of all colours.

It makes it easier for us revolutionaries to prove that the only way to defeat international monopoly capital is to expropriate it regardless of the nationality of the owners, and we should start right now with the big bosses who casualize and impoverish NZ workers to extract their super-profits.

Dave Brown CWG

The WP aren't economic nationalists. NZ is an imperialist country in it's own right, and despite what you appear to think is NOT a US neo-colony. We have none of the symptoms of a neo-colony, and our own ruling class can and does take an independent role to that of the US.

We oppose our own imperialists just as much as the US ones, more so in fact, which is what that article was about. We don't need to stand up to "US domination of NZ".

Alastair Reith

if have a free trade deal with the US we will not be independent - nuclear free at some stage could go - GE increase and NZ enter such dumb 'adventures' as Iraq and other imperial conquests. not that we dont have troops in afghanistan etc anyway.

dave-quite clearly there are limits to the effectiveness of this sort of campaign/protest. i agree that capitalism/imperialism can only be defeated by an organised international working class. however i think that these sorts of protests/campaigns can act as a thumb in the dam to the neo-liberal attacks of the capitalist class. building worker power to go beyond anti-neoliberalism is, i agree, an urgent priority.

phil-the campaign is a defensive one against opening up our public services, environment, etc to US corporate control. it isn't about imaginary US domination but about real US corporate control over public policy. check out the effects of the us-aust fta on the Australian Trade Watch website, and then tell me whether you think NZers have nothing to lose. also, capitalist governments try and act in accordance with ruling class interests, however the state is a site of intense class struggle (in case you haven't noticed) and workers can win through political and industrial action reforms to the system. you obviously have no idea what workers value if you think a FTA with the US won't hurt them and isn't something to protest.

i don't believe there is any point in protesting against capitalism itself, ie there is no such thing as "anti-capitalist protest". you have to organise workers against capitalism. however you can have "antineoliberal protest", defending the welfare state etc. from the attacks of the capitalist class.
Omar

Omar protesting against the Rogernomics (neo-liberal) attacks on welfare in the 80s and 90s did not work. Neither did strikes, days of action etc on the part of the unions. This was because the leaders of both protests and union actions sowed illusions that governments would defend the welfare state. That is, they were popular fronts that limited themselves to reforming the bosses' system. They believe that bad people or bad bosses have too much power and working people must have their day.

The most notable 'protests' of the time were those led by the Auckland peoples' centre run by Sue and Bill Bradford. Their members got arrested and beaten up regularly by the cops while protesting APEC or some other event. After years of this Sue realised that the MPs werent listening so she may as well become one herself.

But you cannot sway capitalist governments by public opinion or moral majorities. All that does it give the bosses time to organise against you. What you can do is mobilise workers around united front actions so that they can then come up against the system and realise the need to overthrow it.

United fronts are actions that advance the interests of workers. That means actions aimed at empowering workers as opposed to the bosses. In the case of health that means health workers taking over the health system, and then demanding that it be fully funded.

In the early 90s we tried unsuccessfully to organise a united front inside the health unions in Auckland. This was when Nurses were striking for the first time. The object was to fight for jobs and wages against underfunding by raising the demand for Free Health. The fact that no capitalist government would pay for Free Health we hoped would lead to the most advanced workers realising that it would be necessary to be 'anti-capitalist' i.e. expropriate the banks and to pay for free health.

We failed, and the health system still suffers from deliberate underfunding. So it is just as necessary today to in protesting against the tail end of Rogernomics, to be anti-capitalist i.e. against the capital-labour relation, by fighting for what workers need and demanding the bosses pay up or else get expropriated without compensation.

Dave Brown

You failed because most normal people don't want to be associated with a bunch of power seeking communist fucktards whose views you do not represent.

"But you cannot sway capitalist governments by public opinion or moral majorities. All that does it give the bosses time to organise against you. What you can do is mobilise workers around united front actions so that they can then come up against the system and realise the need to overthrow it."

We have a system called democracy in New Zealand and if you chose to step outside it then we have another system called the police to bring you into line.

dave- i subscribe to the view that the protests didn't work not because they were the wrong strategy/tactic but because the popular movements were by and large defeated, a la Toby Boramon's thesis on the "myth of passivity", because there was "a lack, in general, of a radical tradition of working class autonomy, self-activity and self-organisation."

the not for sale protests will hopefully act as a springboard to future more direct attacks on neoliberal capitalism in Aotearoa. this may be more militant confrontations with multinational capital in the workplace and community, resisting us imperialism, disrupting nz neocolonialism in the Pacific...

which are, more will be involved if they know the issue or else people will just see a 'rabble', fun but no cigar.

posta campaign in ak, no detail.

You kids are so cute.

"[We] have a system called democracy in New Zealand and if you chose to step outside it then [we] have another system called the police to bring you into line."

So then by that logic the police are separate to the democratic system of rule?

No, the reality is that there is a system called democracy that exists in this country which is used as a method of coersion to keep the masses believing that they have the final say in who governs them, when in reality this country is run by big international capital who uses the govt as pseudo landlords to maintain their human assets.....you!

<b>No, the reality is that there is a system called democracy that exists in this country which is used as a method of coersion to keep the masses believing that they have the final say in who governs them, when in reality this country is run by big international capital who uses the govt as pseudo landlords to maintain their human assets.....you</b>
You call it democracy,I call it neocons abusing it... Jordan maxwell takes this to the extreme.

Mike.E

Call it what you will, the point is the workers are the capitalist property because we keep the machine and its monkey on its back, the economy, grinding along merely through our participation.

Find a viable alternative to 'working for survival' that doesnt leave the worker standing on the outside of a proverbial branch with an axe and the expectation to cut that branch off (i.e they will fall with the cut branch), or a slave to benefits, and you will have the tool to dislodge the capitalist property from the corporation culture that dominates it.

"Update: Is Condoleeza Rice coming? A Space Inside Collective launches the City In Resistance Googlemap"

War criminals and supporters of terrorist states should not be allowed in this country. Rice fits both categories.

"a system called democracy that exists in this country which is used as a method of coercion to keep the masses believing that they have the final say in who governs them"

Oh and I suppose you're one of the enlightened revolutionary vanguard who will lead the ignorant consciousness proliteriat masses toward a glorious socialist utopia. You're not the only one who studied socialism you know but the only difference was that some of the more intelligent of us thought it was a load of shit from the getgo.

You're only using these idiotic conspiracy theories as a pathetic excuse as to why the vast majority don't accept your ideology to avoid the unpalatable that most of us don't want to have anything to do with you or your moronic beliefs .

"The campaign against Spotless, should be extended into a campaign to unite all health workers to throw out the management and the private contractors, including the medical specialists, and run the service themselves to meet the peoples' needs."

This type of cretinism beggers belief. I'd like to see you sucessfully perform open heart surgery.

Will anarchists ever emerge from the leftist swamp?

When has associating or co-operating with the statist, capitalist Left ever worked to anarchists advantage? If/when the excluded and disposessed overcome their passivity and rise up against their condition of exploitation and alienation, how seriously do you think they'll take anarchists when they see them forming united fronts with nationalist-capitalists and authoritarian communists?

As for anarchist activists 'organizing the workers', this is an essentially Leninist/vanguardist conception of social struggle which works against self-organization and autonomy.

Pauley

["a system called democracy that exists in this country which is used as a method of coercion to keep the masses believing that they have the final say in who governs them"]

<<I’m not sure who or where your argument is intended, but I’d like to help you. First, the above is a description of a dictatorship and not of democracy..>>

[Oh and I suppose you're one of the enlightened revolutionary vanguard who will lead the ignorant consciousness proliteriat masses toward a glorious socialist utopia. You're not the only one who studied socialism you know but the only difference was that some of the more intelligent of us thought it was a load of shit from the getgo.]

<<Enlightened revolutionary vanguard,..... ignorant consciousness proletariat masses,.... glorious socialist utopia...., a load of shit from the getgo..... The structure doesn’t follow a valid conclusion but a conceptual analysis suggests a confused struggle between a group and another of a conscious awareness for a glorious socialist utopia, but then it’s a load of shit!
I have seen smart students failed Sociology 101, and some who have passed by merely describing their personal relationships. I think if you understood the study of social relations, utopia is not a relative form but a material aspect. Everyone dream of themselves as something or someone else other than who they really are. It is what motivates them to achieve their goals.
A reference to Marx’s intention points to a failure of the proletariat to overthrow bourgeois and why Socialism is rife with dictatorship at the point of direct exploitation of the humanity body, feelings, senses, and the soul. This is disguised by material science to deceive the mass while enslaving them for the organisation of profit. This is materialised by service industrialisation of children in the name of child abuse, family violence, women’s suffrage, etc etc. Woman herself is disgusted with the feminization of her, emerged to free from its own chains – Eva Herman principle. >>

[You're only using these idiotic conspiracy theories as a pathetic excuse as to why the vast majority don't accept your ideology to avoid the unpalatable that most of us don't want to have anything to do with you or your moronic beliefs.]

<< Social Relations is a classic study, Sociology is a discipline. Those who oppose social principles hold a static material view of reality. But if you enjoy the profits of capitalism, then you are the idiot who claims to hold both opposing ends true.>>

["The campaign against Spotless, should be extended into a campaign to unite all health workers to throw out the management and the private contractors, including the medical specialists, and run the service themselves to meet the peoples' needs."]

<<I made a proposal for a group of cleaners who were locked out recently. One of the premises was to review the contracts in favour of a collective as opposed to private. This was for the cleaners. How other health workers are amalgamated in the same contract is ridiculously unworkable! >>

[This type of cretinism beggers belief. I'd like to see you sucessfully perform open heart surgery]

<<Well, a plumber and an electrician might be able to do a trick, but haven’t been able to put together a coherent sentence!>>

Have a nice day:)

<<I’m not sure who or where your argument is intended, but I’d like to help you. First, the above is a description of a dictatorship and not of democracy..>>

No its not. its a acknowledgment that there are some forms of political expression which are not legitimate such as those which advocate violence or the imposition of another political system through violence which the majority of posters here see as legitimate means.

I do find it amusing that you think everyone else is deceived or enslaved while you are the bearer of truth.

"Everyone dream of themselves as something or someone else other than who they really are. It is what motivates them to achieve their goals."

Most people don't wish to impose a social system on others through force which is why they accept th democratic system.

Do you mean this Eva Herman?

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2425128.ece

Omar-

The United States government is merely a political instrument of the US capitalist (corporate) elites. The interests that the United States government represents in the international political sphere are consistently US corporate interests. The myth of banking and judicial independance are also in fact myths.

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm

Federal Reserve Banking System
"In Lewis v. United States,[17] the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that "the Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA [the Federal Tort Claims Act], but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

"Federal subsidies to private businesses cost taxpayers $87 billion per year. That is over 30 percent more than the Cato Institute's 1997 corporate welfare estimate of $65 billion."
www.cato.org/pub_display.php

“On June 23, 2006 - on the one-year anniversary of the Kelo decision (see above), President George W. Bush issued an executive order stating in Section I that the Federal Government must limit its use of taking private property for “public use” with “just compensation”, which is also stated in the constitution, for the “purpose of benefiting the general public.” He limits this use by stating that it may not be used “for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken.”[7]

However, during the Bush administration, the U.S. Supreme Court has diluted the meaning of “public use” to such an extent that virtually anything that a local condemning authority declares to be “public use” will be accepted by the Supreme Court and the lower federal courts, effectively nullifying anything the President’s executive order stated.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain ent_action

Only the naive and gullible still think that Labour represents the working class.They are now the toadies of the capitalist, corporate elite and the imperialist US government. I thought I would never say that. I'm a Green Syndicalist, Georgist, but I have become extremely disillusioned with electoral politics in light of what I have learned regarding the events surrounding the neoliberal reforms of the 1980s and 1990s as well as witnessing what the Labour Party has now become.

“In essence, it states that for every $100 of loans, a bank should have at least $8 of capital, of which at least $4 must be permanent equity. Because loans secured over residential property were seen to be less risky than other loans, they only had to have 50% as much capital. Loans to banks from OECD countries were seen to be less risky still, so they only had to have 20% as much capital, and loans to governments denominated in their local currency 0%. There were several other categories and treatment for off-balance-sheet exposures.”

www.rbnz.govt.nz/speeches/0104984.html

This quote from the Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank makes Michael Cullen’s statement that, “In particular banks do not create credit like a Central Bank. When banks make loans they are lending the money creditors have deposited with them.” (D. Kent, pp 45 Healthy Money, Healthy Planet), at best an appalling lack of knowlege regarding a fundamental aspect of his portfolio or he is a baldfaced liar to those he purports to represent.

“Cash Grants To TNCs: A Slippery Slope”
www.converge.org.nz/watchdog/95/4gover.htm

"Economic Development Minister Trevor Mallard today announced a new policy to grow and strengthen New Zealand firms - that will see new government support for firms to form strategic partnerships or make investments offshore."
www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0708/S00531.htm

“He says the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) has declined a request from public interest watchdog group CAFCA to supply six monthly and yearly reports as previously done for many years – and in an email today told CAFCA it no longer even has to report directly to Parliament.”
www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0702/S00173.htm

"Matt McCarten: Budget should see Cullen made head of Business Roundtable"
www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm

"The debate on whether the New Zealand Superannuation Fund should invest 78% of its assets offshore as opposed to onshore misses two vital points critical to the success of its strategy."
www.goodreturns.co.nz/article/976488588.html

anarchia.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/3-short-vids-from-the-us-nz-partnership-forum-protests/

In case you aren't aware of the fraudulent nature of our banking system see below.

“In essence, it states that for every $100 of loans, a bank should have at least $8 of capital, of which at least $4 must be permanent equity. Because loans secured over residential property were seen to be less risky than other loans, they only had to have 50% as much capital. Loans to banks from OECD countries were seen to be less risky still, so they only had to have 20% as much capital, and loans to governments denominated in their local currency 0%. There were several other categories and treatment for off-balance-sheet exposures.”

www.rbnz.govt.nz/speeches/0104984.html

“Furthermore, I believe that greed and co”mpetition are not a result of immutable human temperament; I have come to the conclusion that greed and fear of scarcity are in fact being continuously created and amplified as a direct result of the kind of money we are using.
For example, we can produce more than enough food to feed everybody, and there is definitely enough work for everybody in the world, but there is clearly not enough money to pay for it all. The scarcity is in our national currencies. In fact, the job of central banks is to create and maintain that currency scarcity. The direct consequence is that we have to fight with each other in order to survive.

Money is created when banks lend it into existence (see article by Thomas Greco on page 19). When a bank provides you with a $100,000 mortgage, it creates only the principal, which you spend and which then circulates in the economy. The bank expects you to pay back $200,000 over the next 20 years, but it doesn’t create the second $100,000 - the interest. Instead, the bank sends you out into the tough world to battle against everybody else to bring back the second $100,000.”
www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp

Its not suprising that financial crises happen when you take into account the above. Economic growth is a prerequisite for the principals of the loans to be repaid, but that has proven elusive since banking was invented, which is why we have the cyclical economic crisises.

The reason that Alan Bollard, Governor of the Reserve Bank and Michael Cullen admonishes us to defer spending and instead invest in banks is not that spending causes inflation, but because issuing more credit is the prerequisite for economic growth and continued prosperity due to our debt based monetary system due to the fact that the interest component of the loan is not created at the time of the loan being issued.

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