SOLIDARITY!

Kia kaha e kui.

arohanui ki tena wahine, kia kaha, ka tu kotahi taatou, me
Ka Whaiwhai Tonu Maatou, Ake Ake Ake!

when you play with guns (there has been no violence) and you are not in the state army, and not playing games in Afghanistan for the US military.

fuck the US-NZ 'intelligence' and miltary network!

Why does this internet site attract so many weirdos? Just look at this dan charactor for example.

indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/75113/index.php

So much for Commissioner Fraud saying that Operation 8 was over, when interviewed on 16 October 2007. Another lie from those on high.

NZ police and SIS - playing Americas game in Aotearoa.

Police wannabe FBI and SIS wannabe the CIA.
stop watching hollywood movies..!!!

Word is out that some of those arrested have had a zillion new charges added. Is there any truth to that?

funny how the authors of this are deleting any comments they find challenging and too hard to answer.

So much for free speech, so long as its what you want to hear and fits in with the group think.

Some of those dudes shouldn't have been playing guns if they didn't have licenses to do so. Coulda saved themselves a whole lot of trouble probably.

Cops may have overreacted but maybe these guys should have thought about what they were doing and how they were doing it and there would never have been this mess in the first place.

Take illegal possesion of guns and talk about comitting race based killings and you ask for what you get if the people who were arrested were skinheads no one would care.

skinheads have done that, and they didn't get raided.

survival camp anyone? www.surviveclub.org.nz

only some spoke of race based killing. why would people who hate white people have white people in their camps? It was Jamie that said that anyway ai?

Its like the one offhand comment about someone should kill Bush - That doesn't constitute an actual assassination plan - otherwise people all over the world would be in on that plot with each comment of 'bush should die' etc.

like Paul Buchanan said: if it was an actual plot the SAS would of been used.

"Take illegal possesion of guns"
There were no illegal weapons. Noone has been charged with being in possession of an illegal weapon.

"Some of those dudes shouldn't have been playing guns if they didn't have licenses to do so. Coulda saved themselves a whole lot of trouble probably"

Some of them did have licences and were still arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a rifle they bought with their licence.

"funny how the authors of this are deleting any comments they find challenging and too hard to answer."

What question did you ask that was too hard to answer?

"So much for free speech, so long as its what you want to hear and fits in with the group think"

Interesting you say freedom of speech yet you or someone in similar thinking to you, then go on to allude that those that apparently had a few dim conversations should be arrested for what they said.

BTW I get pissed off with that freedom of speech rhetoric, for starters try walking into any building, shop, institution in this country and have a big old rave about the state of the nation. Youd last about 10 minutes before the bill arrived and escorted you out. Thats not freedom of speech in action, thats just being an arsehole.

Freedom of speech exists when a government or hierachy allows people to speak their mind [without fear of arrest]....that doesnt mean you can go anywhere you like and rant on without someone showing you the door for being a pain in the arse. Dont get those two mixed up, theyre not the same thing.

There has never been any official statement allowing freedom of speech here in nz anyways.

Nowhere in the Bill of Rights are you guaranteed freedom of speech. The sedition laws existed to the end of last year which made it a jailable offence to speak in certain anti government points of view.

The Terrorism Suppression Act is the current legislation which allows the police to arrest you based on your political opinions.

What the Bill of Rights does say is: You have the right not to be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention.

That means all those in Ruatoki that were detained on Oct 15 were done so against the Bill of Rights...If the police used their powers to do so based on the terror suppression act then the TSA contradicts the BofR and needs to be repealed.

Bill of Rights also says you have the right to: Be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Tuhoe arrestees are presumed guilty because of the media leaks and also because of the reverse onus function in law which by the time these people go to trial they would have already been proven guilty by association (reverse onus), therefore by the time the trial comes it will be the guilty trying to prove themselves innocent.

Again, going against the Bill of Rights. Now thats something to have a good old rant about, not whether or not someone editted your post. Those issues are real, disturbing, and its happening right in front of us.

My sympathies go out to the Tuhoe peoples who got caught up in this mess..i know a number of the people who where arrested..a couple whose innnocence is obvious..but for the others..your living in a fantasy world...this is not Mexico ,Palestine ,Iraq..your companions are not being murdered ,we are not in the middle of a military seige..no-none is disappearing after a visit to Winz..the fact that the bust was sprung by an off duty cop on a hunting mish..ive also met someone in the IT industry that helped out on the surveillance and recordings..of which there 100s of hrs..and the sentiment of what was been said is alarming n laughable..if u want to plan some radical act..dont do it in the middle of the place u intend to pull it off..go off to the Chathams or sumtink..the German RAF [Baader Meinhoff gang for the uniniated] would bomb or assasinate..then slink off behind the Wall...so..all i can say is Tame Iti surrounded himself with a bunch of fantasists who have now brought it all on top for a bunch of otherwise innocents..

Mr Plod and his mind-numbed supporters have and will always be between you and your futures, thats just a fact of life. All I can say is, good on you all, we stand behind you and believe in the mana motuhake o tuhoe, through thick and thin.

"all i can say is Tame Iti surrounded himself with a bunch of fantasists who have now brought it all on top for a bunch of otherwise innocents.."

Tuhoe sovereignty is notta fantasy arsehol. If one guilty then all is guilty because that us all. Tame Iti and his ropu stand for TUHOE sovereignty and so does the rest of us...matou katoa!

TUUHOE H@RDKORE AU AU AU!!!

'ive also met someone in the IT industry that helped out on the surveillance and recordings..of which there 100s of hrs..and the sentiment of what was been said is alarming n laughable.'

See you had me there until you said that bit now I think you are just spreading a bit of subtefuge. Let me explain why. For starters I need to give you a name, it helps...So Ill refer to you as Trevor.

Trevor there is one thing that the Crimes lab boys never do is kiss and tell. The reasons why are obvious. Not only would it be their jobs on the line but the case would be really fucked as well if it was said that members of the Crimes unit were showing sensitive intelligence to their non-cop mates over a bit of BBQ and boylove. Even if say Fritzy boy from the Crimelab unit were your lover he would not be able to share any such info over pillow talk with you after a hot and sweaty one or else risk his job and also the case.

So if what you are saying is true then that would be grounds for a serious investigation....or...you know the other option....aye?

'the fact that the bust was sprung by an off duty cop on a hunting mish'

See again, another bullet shot by yourself into your own foot. Had you had direct contact with staff at the crimes lab, you would know that the report put in by those two off duty police were in fact of a taiaha grading wananga somewhere deeper into the Urewera forest and unrelated to the later operation. It was those same two supposed off duty policemen that were seen in the video on youtube harassing the land owners picketting on their own land at the blockade in Waimana.
See: www.youtube.com/watch

'and the sentiment of what was been said is alarming n laughable'

Yes I read some of the comments in the Dom Post too, they were laughable, but maybe that was the intention when they were said, since the transcripts in the police affidavit didnt even try to give context, and are now inadmissable in court, we will never know.

'all i can say is Tame Iti surrounded himself with a bunch of fantasists who have now brought it all on top for a bunch of otherwise innocents..'

As was already said earlier Trevor and I agree totally, and I believe from my time in the land of the Tuhoe, that their sovereignty is their number one political priority and Tame has widespread support there for his views and actions in terms of those desires of that people. I think you are mistaken if you wish to separate them out as being two separate groups.

Rob H

U know its always funny when u contribute to a thread that immediately the over reactionaries will resort to abuse and throw in a homosexual overtone ..a ploy to distract from the original discussion..ive only met Tame Iti once..we talked politics and i have nothing against what he or Tuhoe stand for..funnily enough i was dutifully ignored by a prominent Indymedia writer over dinner recently as well..think theres a lot of things that they find hard to stomach..that theyre lil training mission was busted..that there covert activities was like running a tinnie house out of a creche..yep..no doubt the theres a heinous amount of trumped up charges..but kids..u stir up the political cauldron you ll get your finger burnt...so stop whinging..and nothing inhibits the way i live..i dont keep my head in a political or legal maelstrom..i move around and do as i please...and i choose to live in the country..u city slickers all know best..im just a bumpkin..what would i know...El Rabia Wanganui.

Nice replies..my ignorance is relinquished..and i need a new pair of boots..yep i was wrong about a few points ..whoops....and you strengthened my fantasies about men in uniforms..seems Trevor u know what a man really likes..ive got a Girl Guides uniform u can borrow if u ever wanna come over and teach me how to light a campfire..the seperation between the two ideas..off Tuhoe Sovereignity..and Left Bank Cuba St idealism may seem like perfect partner but its a bad marriage..Tame Iti has years of experience and mana..i fully respect him..but throw in some happy anarcho campers with loud mouths and an arrest history bigger than the Mongrel Mob..naw..bad boil up..
and the insults..well considering u all remain anonymous and hide behind this stregthens my resolve that most of you are shout n hide..and cant stand the heat..amateurs..RAB in Wanganui

Thats a bit silly Rab 'the hippy' to accuse commenters of using anonymonity while you yourself are doing the same thing.

Its a complex issue that has been dumbed down by the MSM and delivered as babyfood to the masses to easily swallow.

You tried to come across as someone who is in the know but the stuff you are saying is NO different to the bi-lines used in the police media campaign, and in [every] mainstream media report on the issue.

The only media bothering to look into the deeper issues on this matter are Indymedia, Maori Television and Al Jazeera.

If you were THAT in the know you would also know that all of these people arrested on October 15 2007 have complete support within the Tuhoe Nation and that nation has publicly stated it so several times.

So why you bother to single out anarchists as some sort of separate entity indicates that you have a separate beef with them or intentionally intend to belittle their involvement in supporting Tuhoe.

Gina Anderson
Whangaparaoa

I think El Rabia is a Dominion Post reporter trying to dig for info since their fearless leader and chief editor is up on criminal charges for leaking parts of the police affidavitt.

El Tui - Mangatanoka

for all u other undercovers [as we all know..anybody can be bought for $500pw these days}..Rab is my real name..naw no beef..just trying to get a jist of what was going on by using the same insulting tactics as deployed by others on this [!]..probably should read Against Freedom..ive got a copy..and Gina..im no political ignanormous [only on this thread!]..but thanks for the tips..

www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2007/nov/06/features11.g2

Hi its Rab again...i got more info from this than here!
Oh for anyone who wants to do a check .

Rab G.P.Lewin
64 Bedford Ave ,Gonville ,Wanganui
Community sevices no. 363 196 013
Car rego. FW 7931.Cream Vauxhall Viva
Sightings: Haywards Auction ,Guyton St.
Criminal record : none
Web surveilance: myspace / fotorabia
Sexuality : gay
POB : Lismore , Australia 1967

"Hi its Rab again...i got more info from this than here!"

Its a good article and no surprise that the foreign media could produce one of the most balanced mainstream media reports covering most of the basic issues surrounding Tuhoe.

There are some excellent articles and commentaries on Indymedia too that at times dig deeper than what is raised in that press piece.

"Oh for anyone who wants to do a check"

Hey thats great stuff, it is always the best policy to reveal who you are before accusing others of hiding behind anonyminity.

If you are really interested in looking deeper then check out the interview with Tamati Kruger, spokesperson for the Tuhoe Nation on this issue.
video.google.com/videosearch

Parts 1 2 & 3

Corupt Cop in NZ Broad is a corupt cop,using his position to get out of breaking the law

MAD A RAB :i promise to be a bit nicer in future posts..i fully support the movement idea just get worried about some idiots undoing good work..