Helen Clarke and John Keys??

Ironic that we get to have our evenings filled via the media with such double speakive news castings. Firstly you have the news item that they have caught Radovan Karadzic a rampant war criminal who bombed the crap out of civilian areas during the bosnian civil wars, then followed close behind is another war criminal story, except this time its the smiling Condy coming to this country to be welcomed with open arms by the PM who at some level within her dark soul, is supposed to be opposed to the war in Iraq.

However, to the victor the spoils, and to the loser the indictment in the Hague, and execution is unfortunately how the game works which is why you wont see either Bush, Rumfeld, Wolfowits or Rice indicted anytime soon.

Once upon a time the victor would cut the heads off the vanquished kings and nobles, these days thats a little brutish for the peons, so you use the Hague, or some other form of court, trump up the charges and have them hung or electricuted.

Same ol same ol, just a more acceptable method using the pretence of a justice system to carry out the final vanquishing of your enemy.

Found this online today - Apparently Rice may be asking for NZ vote/support for the India-specific safeguards agreement (US-India civil nuclear cooperation agreement).

o3.indiatimes.com/mutinyrural/archive/2008/07/24/4931862.aspx

US will convince Pak not to vote against India at IAEA: Mulford
23 Jul, 2008, 2026 hrs IST, AGENCIES
NEW DELHI/WASHINGTON: The United States will convince Pakistan into not voting against the India-specific safeguards agreement when the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) meets in Vienna, Austria, later this month or early next month to give its approval to it, said US Ambassador to India, David C Mulford.
Conveying this message through a phono with select media at the American Centre here from Washington, Ambassador Mulford said he was well aware of Islamabad's reservations on the pact and on the US-India civil nuclear cooperation agreement, and expressed conviction about the Bush Administration's ability to "persuade" Pakistan to cooperate on the matter.
"We will address Pakistan's role at the IAEA," he said.
Welcoming the support in the Indian Parliament for the US-India civil nuclear cooperation initiative, Ambassador Mulford said a day after the UPA Government had won the trust vote by 275 to 256 that: "We will work closely with Government of India in days ahead for rapid completion of the ratification process through IAEA, Nuclear Suppliers Group and US Congress."
"The United States has been ready, is geared up for the next steps (in realising the US-India civil nuclear cooperation agreement). We had a meeting here with the coordinating committee on Monday, and now, we will work across a broad front, India will also work across a broad front to see the next steps in the deal through," Mulford added.
He said that the US is keen to present the bilateral legislation before the US Congress in the early part of September, following a meeting of the IAEA and two meetings of the 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (IAEA)
When asked how he saw the deal panning out and whether New Delhi would be granted an unconditional waiver from the IAEA and the NSG vis-à-vis NPT-related strictures, Ambassador Mulford said, "I don't think you should use the term `unconditional waiver'. We are working on a clean exemption draft that will go ahead and support the various theses that have been determined by both countries. We will be working for a consensus for a movement forward. There is the 123 agreement, the IAEA India-specific safeguards, the two meetings of the NSG, and a determination to be made by the President (Bush) before we go before the US Congress with this piece of legislation."
He said that following the meeting of the IAEA, he expected the NSG members to meet after a week to ten days. Thereafter, there would be an assessment made on whatever more was needed so that the matter comes up in the US Congress in early September.
Mulford refused to comment on the stances that each country would adopt on the proposed agreement at the IAEA and the NSG, adding that India and the United States would address the concerns of each country individually, and he expected from the United States point of view, the focus would be in telling each country to see the larger picture, of effecting a growing relationship with India, one of the most progressive economies in the world.
On what China's role would be at the NSG deliberations, Ambassador Mulford admitted that Washington has had talks with the leadership in Beijing, and the latter has "agreed to review the documentation (related to the US-India civil nuclear deal)."
"I cannot speak on behalf of China, but I can say that China will look at the agreement and review its stance on it," Mulford said.
He also confirmed that there had been a telephonic conversation between Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee and US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice over the deal. He described it as a "friendly conversation" that focussed on all aspects of the proposed deal, and the next steps to be taken by both countries.
He said that Rice had told Mukherjee that she would be speaking to the leaderships of New Zealand and Australia, where she is visiting, and convince these two key NSG members to vote in favour of India.
He said that he expected India to send its ministers and officials to all IAEA and NSG countries to convince them about the deal and remove whatever concerns or reservations they had.
"Both countries would be actively pursuing the next steps. It would be a fully coordinated effort. The U.S. Congress is a sovereign body, capable of moving quickly. None can determine what it will do," Mulford said.
Replying to a question on whether the Bush Administration expected internal resistance to the deal, Mulford replied in the affirmative, but added, "We do expect a bipartisan majority to hold up in Congress."
The US Congress will have to meet before September when it breaks for session to meet only after the Presidential election process is completed in January next year.
he US has pledged to move forward on the civilian nuclear deal with India after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh won a vote of confidence in the Parliament. "We think that we can move forward with this," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said about the nuclear deal at the daily briefing on Tuesday.
"If their legislature lets it move forward, then we can do the same here, and then we'll be able to get this wrapped up," she elaborated.

There will also be a protest from 3.15pm outside the Langham Hotel in Symonds Street where she is scheduled to meet National Party Leader John Key.

The visit is to get NZ on board for an american attack on Iran, hence the meeting with both John Keys and Helen Clarke

Why do some people keep on spelling Helen Clark and John Key's names wrong. Their names are spelt Clark and Key, not 'Clarke' and 'Keys' or 'Keyes'.

The US doesn't need New Zealands support to attack Iran

This is an opportune occasion to confront such pedigree globalist scum such as Rice the CFR traitor and our home-grown elitist Key the former Merril Lynch exec, Fed Res '99-01 and high level Mason. Such gifts to transparent democracies need the welcoming they deserve. So join us.... Meet at the corner of Carlton Gore Road and Park Road Saturday 26th 1:30pm
More info: Contact Will nz911truth (at) hotmail.com

This is an opportune occasion to confront such pedigree globalist scum such as Rice the CFR traitor and our home-grown elitist Key the former Merril Lynch exec, Fed Res '99-01 and high level Mason. Such gifts to transparent democracies need the welcoming they deserve. So join us.... Meet at the corner of Carlton Gore Road and Park Road Saturday 26th 1:30pm
More info: Contact Will nz911truth (at) hotmail.com

oh god spare the peace movement from 9/11 conspiracy loony toones. i think we'll all have to agree just to not talk to these idiots.
they are a bunch of racist fuck wits and should just fuck off. go back to your ufo conventions

Please give my apologies to Condosleazy and her cronies - I will still be out of the country, thus I will be unable to tell her to "fuck off back to the United Fascist States of America".

John Key is a high level mason? I haven't heard that one before, can you supply any proof? (photos in regalia, lodge numbers etc)

How dare anyone rise up against such a power as Condoleezza - this will just create a lovely blow-hole in the trust between America and NZ. Anyone who participates in this protest are rotten scum to think they are above such greatness - and no I'm not American, nor pro-American, nor am I submissive to state leaders, I just think that a person of her status should be respected until you can actually do something REAL rather than a cliche' f***ing protest "WHAT DO WE WANT!!! WHEN DO WE WANT IT!!! NOW!!!" with ridiculous guilt trip gestures. I hope you all have a good time there and enjoy the tazer, and I really wish I could replace that with crossbows and bullets but apparently we are too decent for that sort of... behaviour but yet that still doesn't stop people from walking around with signs, shouting futile cries of hate... pathetic - go and find a better way to do it, and Civil Arrest??? Not happening guys.

Speaking of Key's political pedigree, did anyone else notice the bit in the Herald's "unauthorized" biography about his father having fought in the Spanish Civil War? According to Trevor Loudon, that would make John a communist.

"""a better way to do it, and Civil Arrest??? Not happening guys.""""

WRONG!!

" oh god spare the peace movement from 9/11 conspiracy loony toones. i think we'll all have to agree just to not talk to these idiots.
they are a bunch of racist fuck wits and should just fuck off. go back to your ufo conventions "

Could you explain how 9/11 truthers are racists.

"According to Trevor Loudon, that would make John a communist"

Speaking of which, is Loudon out of jail yet?

"Could you explain how 9/11 truthers are racists."

Yeah I'm intrigued by that one too!

Haere Atu Condaleezza
Get out of Aotearoa
Get out of the Pacific

Love & Solidarity to all those protesting tomorrow

Once again the NZ police are instrumental in protecting and sheltering terrorists.

(Poster of How dare anyone rise up against such a power as Condoleezza) -
Quoting Anonymous: """a better way to do it, and Civil Arrest??? Not happening guys.""""

WRONG!!""

A very daft way of saying "I KNOW that Civil Arrest WILL happen" - like you can tell the future... If the civil arrest happens, and that results in her punishment then good job, you're a student who has overcome the most powerful woman in the World - but if all I see is a bunch of amateurish protesters well... A waste of breath. Good luck and let's hope that Mr/Mrs I know what's wrong and right indeed proves me wrong - If not then it looks like this rather bold person has been proven WRONG themselves

Chief Pig Brett England is basically saying without saying it, that anyone that makes a move on Rice will get whacked...

Hi Guys, looks like the weather could play a major role today.
Instead of the march, how about if people just meet up outside the various locations.
i.e. Gov. House 1.30pm, Langham Hotel 3.30pm, then the Museum 5-7pm.
I'd hate Rice to think she got a positive welcoming just because of the weather.

"How dare anyone rise up against such a power as Condoleezza"
Will the arse-licker please identify yourself, so we can arrange medication.

"such a power as Condoleezza"
You mean power as in satanic, right?

""How dare anyone rise up against such a power as Condoleezza"
Will the arse-licker please identify yourself, so we can arrange medication.""
I'll have you know that I said "such a power", not just Condoleezza, such power should be respected unless there is a searing hole through which you can challenge it properly - not with protest or ridiculous ideas like citizens arrest. Oh and btw nice one guys, hardly anyone turned up - affraid of a little weather and the most powerful woman in the World? *clap clap clap*, next time think of something more... Original perhaps. To the one who said Condoleezza is a Satanic, I believe she is Presbyterian (look on any site about her). + ONE MORE MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOU WHO THINK SHE IS SOULY RESPONSIBLE FOR 100000 DEATHS BY HERSELF! - There is a huge chain of orders, apporval and signature in which many people take part in pretty much any decision - let alone in this case there is still a trigger/weapon at the end wielded by none other than... ummm Well not Condoleeza! Look at the wider picture guys before putting all the blame on one woman and squalking at her. Thanks for entertaining me you sheep! - Kindest Regards, The "How dare you guy"

hmmm... Condi IS one of those responsible, thus one of those whomust be held accountable for the suffering they have caused.
lets see:
Geneva Conventions Act 1958, Section 3(1)

“Any person who in New Zealand or elsewhere commits, or aids or abets or procures the commission by another person of, a grave breach of any of the Conventions or of the First Protocol is guilty of an indictable offence.”

www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1958/0019/latest/DLM318045.html

Crimes of Torture Act 1989, part 1, section 4

Jurisdiction in respect of acts of torture

No proceedings for an offence against any of the provisions of section 3 of this Act shall be brought unless—
(a) The person to be charged is a New Zealand citizen; or
(b) The person to be charged is present in New Zealand; or
(c) The act or omission constituting the offence charged is alleged to have occurred in New Zealand or on board a ship or an aircraft that is registered in New Zealand.

www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0106/latest/DLM192847.html

so, yup she's a criminal.

News story: ‘Sources: Top Bush Advisors Approved 'Enhanced Interrogation'
abcnews.go.com/print

“The most senior Bush administration officials discussed and approved specific details of how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency…

…The so-called Principals who participated in the meetings also approved the use of "combined" interrogation techniques -- using different techniques during interrogations, instead of using one method at a time -- on terrorist suspects who proved difficult to break…

…the Principals Committee included Vice President Cheney, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft…As the national security adviser, Rice chaired the meetings…

…Critics at home and abroad have harshly criticized the interrogation program, which pushed the limits of international law and, they say, condoned torture.”

yup, she's definitely part of the problem. The wider picture is that she along with all other who condone/authorise/support such heinous crime need to be stopped NOW.

if only the cops had the balls and brains to turn around and do their job....

'do some research' I don't have to, you claimed that John Key was a high level mason I challenged that, the onus is on you to provide proof.

How-dare-you guy:
If everyone is to blame, no one is to blame.
By your reasoning, there would be no war crimes tribunals, no accountability of political parties, no responsibility for the Holocaust, etc.
As for sheep, they are found among the conservative "silent majority", including you.

Wont be there in person but we are there in spirit go hard protest hard

"As for sheep, they are found among the conservative "silent majority", including you"
As I said - You respect until you can see a weakness that you can break propperly (sheep don't do this, sheep just go with it whatever the case - Like protesters who go along with the leader protester who believe they know it all). Again I also say that Protesting hardly solves any of those issues there (well 100 people turnig up?? Umm.... NO!)

No answer to to my challenge, typical and not unexpected.