Funny, I thought sarcasm was the panacea for all ills. A scornful tone is no substitute for a sound argument. Neither is name calling. Your post doesn't even begin to take into account most of what I wrote but the for the record:
- obviously shopping bags made out of hemp would be designed to be reusable, and are going to be much more durable (not to mention renewable) than those made out of plastic.
- hemp is a fast-growing, durable fibre crop (compare it to pine trees for the amount of paper pulp you can get out of the same area of land in one year), so it's sensible to promote its use.
- hemp has a higher proportion of cellulose than almost any other plant, making it ideal as a substitute for fossil oil in many industrial applications. Maybe you are suggesting we aren't going to have industry as crude oil availability declines? If so, who's the hippy?
- calling factories 'co-ops' doesn't change their capitalist nature, but factories, farms, offices etc that are actually run as co-ops (shared ownership, worker self-management etc) are incompatible with capitalism as I understand the term. Sure, they can exist on the planet at the same time capitalist structures do, but unless you are proposing we disassemble the entire capitalist economy before we start building a post-capitalist one (in which case what are we going to eat while we build the new economy?!?), that's inevitable. Check out Parecon for the theory on this: www.zmag.org/zparecon/parecon.htm
- worker's co-ops seem to be a viable alternative to corporations, check out the film 'The Take' about factory occupations in Argentina for examples. Perhaps also have a look at Cochabamba in Bolivia, where the water supply was taken back from Bechtel Corporation (now a major war criminal) and put under workers control. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochabamba_protests_of_2000
Re: Plastic Bag Ban Puts Collingwood On the Map
Date Edited: 07 Aug 2008 05:54:35 PM
Funny, I thought sarcasm was the panacea for all ills. A scornful tone is no substitute for a sound argument. Neither is name calling. Your post doesn't even begin to take into account most of what I wrote but the for the record:
- obviously shopping bags made out of hemp would be designed to be reusable, and are going to be much more durable (not to mention renewable) than those made out of plastic.
- hemp is a fast-growing, durable fibre crop (compare it to pine trees for the amount of paper pulp you can get out of the same area of land in one year), so it's sensible to promote its use.
- hemp has a higher proportion of cellulose than almost any other plant, making it ideal as a substitute for fossil oil in many industrial applications. Maybe you are suggesting we aren't going to have industry as crude oil availability declines? If so, who's the hippy?
- calling factories 'co-ops' doesn't change their capitalist nature, but factories, farms, offices etc that are actually run as co-ops (shared ownership, worker self-management etc) are incompatible with capitalism as I understand the term. Sure, they can exist on the planet at the same time capitalist structures do, but unless you are proposing we disassemble the entire capitalist economy before we start building a post-capitalist one (in which case what are we going to eat while we build the new economy?!?), that's inevitable. Check out Parecon for the theory on this:
www.zmag.org/zparecon/parecon.htm
- worker's co-ops seem to be a viable alternative to corporations, check out the film 'The Take' about factory occupations in Argentina for examples. Perhaps also have a look at Cochabamba in Bolivia, where the water supply was taken back from Bechtel Corporation (now a major war criminal) and put under workers control.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochabamba_protests_of_2000