It’s highly disappointing to see so many remarks have been deleted associated with this article. It appears on the surface that free thinking individuals aren’t allowed to express their reasonable views even though some of them go against the widely held opinion here that animal rights is the be all and end all of the universe.
Is this forum becoming another nanny/police situation, where everyone has to be politically correct, which according to some is horrifying? Or is it that some of the editors have let some power go to their heads? Otherwise, have they been allowed to be dominated by the fear and paranoia of a small number of people or by a few that were distressed by what was written? Either way, the possibly of any of these scenarios is exceedingly terrifying!
I have been watching with interest as this forum unfolds and most of the comments that have been taken down were adult even though some were a bit critical and judgemental. The comments that included name calling, including dk, needed to go but the rest were OK. If anyone were upset over them I think they are overly sensitive and need to take a step back for a while to calm down. (Unfortunately I can’t seem to find the comments that were deleted at indymedia.org.nz/newswire/hidden/index.php or at similar internet page, so people can’t determine for themselves if they needed to be pulled or not.)
I hope that the editors here won’t be so overbearing and heavy-handed in the future. Also, they won’t go overboard in the censorship.
over the last few years, several people were declared 'spammers' on Aotearoa Indymedia (dk is one of them). This was done by the collective either at conferences or in discussion over email lists. It is always the same person who spams features on animal rights. That person is a spammer. You can read about that on our wiki (although not right now because the server running it is currently down).
as to why these comments aren't showing up in the hidden section? i don't know. they used to but don't anymore since we upgraded our software and i haven't got a clue how to fix it.
I'm sorry to read that you're having software problems and have been hit by spammers. I'll read about them when I can. Still, I don't understand how anyone can see it's one person that is a spammer when it appeared to me that it was different people expressing their opinions opposing animal rights. Maybe I'm just stupid.
with the animal rights spammer we get 15 comments in 20 minutes or something like that so we are fairly certain it's the same person. we don't track ip addresses or anything like that but the style, the time of posting and the fact that they always come up on AR articles are enough indications that someone is spamming.
Thank you for the expansion on the believe of a spammer or spammers. I still can’t see it as it may be 15 different people passionate about the topic commenting on it within a limited time frame, all with a similar style because of their education or outlook. Still it’s up to the editors to manage this internet site as they see fit. It might pay to clean up this thread of comments because of the repetitive comments from an AR person that has typed in capitals just to be consistent with the policies of this site.
Don’t worry about the spammers because some of them are cunning. Even I can’t figure them out from the real postings, except for dk from his rude remarks, and I’ve been reading the articles here for years. (I read the articles here to get some balance from the news you read in the papers, listen to on the radio and see on telly.)
There are a lot of issues surrounding the eating of meat. Meat can be pork, beef, lamb, chicken, fish or boiled potatoes. The above list is not exhaustive but there is no type of meat that does not fit within the list. Eating meat is ok provided she is not asleep at the time.
Anonymous 2 April gave plenty of references. These are not available on the internet for obvious commercial reasons. It is usual in scientific and ethical discourse for those arguing a point of view to give their references. It is not however normal for them to hand those references to every reader. Readers interested in following up on the refrences should be able to find them themselves. You could try any public library for the Singer reference, and any DVD hire place for the film ones. You could also read accounts on the treatment of animals and their suffering by the Scientific Veterinary Committee of the European Commission on pigs, broilers and layer hens. These are government appointed scientists, not animal rights activists, and they come to the conclusion that much commercial agriculture is inhumane. These are all available on line, but don't be so lazy. Google them yourselves.
I could also send you some reprints of my own peer reviewed studies on animal agriculture in New Zealand if you are really interested, but I will need an email address.
What a cop out, Phil. I don’t see why not anyone that is for or against anything shouldn’t present impartial evidence at the same time. It’s easy to do for forums such as this by providing web links. Getting others to do it for you is only you being lazy. You’re not in university now. Anyway, thanks for your offer of your own peer reviewed studies. It is much appreciated. Keep up your good work!
Pick up your game, Dr Phil the vegan of CAFF, as you’re letting your team down! It’s because of your sort of slackness that animal rights is not highly regarded by most people. If you argue something contribute corroboration at the same time as it’s easy to do. Don’t expect other people to do your running around as it’s disrespectful. I suggest you do some minor paradigm shifts. The rest of us aren’t indoctrinated by the twaddle that goes on in universities.
I don’t know where Phil is coming from. When I did some of my research papers I had to supply some form of substantiation in the way of references and bibliographies at the same time, in the back of the research project. So I don’t understand why people don’t supply evidence in the same form or by internet links here when they make allegations. Extraordinary assertions need extraordinary confirmation to back them up.
I think references, bibliographies, pictures and internet links are a good thing when debating for animal liberation, to back it up. Otherwise, it comes across as rhetoric and surely our animal friends don’t deserve that?
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Date Edited: 03 Apr 2007 08:01:34 AM
Is this forum becoming another nanny/police situation, where everyone has to be politically correct, which according to some is horrifying? Or is it that some of the editors have let some power go to their heads? Otherwise, have they been allowed to be dominated by the fear and paranoia of a small number of people or by a few that were distressed by what was written? Either way, the possibly of any of these scenarios is exceedingly terrifying!
I have been watching with interest as this forum unfolds and most of the comments that have been taken down were adult even though some were a bit critical and judgemental. The comments that included name calling, including dk, needed to go but the rest were OK. If anyone were upset over them I think they are overly sensitive and need to take a step back for a while to calm down. (Unfortunately I can’t seem to find the comments that were deleted at indymedia.org.nz/newswire/hidden/index.php or at similar internet page, so people can’t determine for themselves if they needed to be pulled or not.)
I hope that the editors here won’t be so overbearing and heavy-handed in the future. Also, they won’t go overboard in the censorship.
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over the last few years, several people were declared 'spammers' on Aotearoa Indymedia (dk is one of them). This was done by the collective either at conferences or in discussion over email lists. It is always the same person who spams features on animal rights. That person is a spammer. You can read about that on our wiki (although not right now because the server running it is currently down).
as to why these comments aren't showing up in the hidden section? i don't know. they used to but don't anymore since we upgraded our software and i haven't got a clue how to fix it.
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Long time reader, first time posting.
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woops im the editor.
Vegans are a blot on society.
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I could also send you some reprints of my own peer reviewed studies on animal agriculture in New Zealand if you are really interested, but I will need an email address.
Phil
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