Is dissent criminal in New Zealand? Yes - if it involves weapons and threats to kill. Why can't you people get that idea through you thick heads. Do you actually believe it is okay to threaten violence to make a political point? Do you think it was acceptable for people to actually test a NAPALM BOMB? Do you henestly think the police could not act, given the testing of such a vicious weapon, one that by its nature can only be used indiscriminantly? You people seem unable to address some of the very serious elements of this event. Are there no circumstances under which the police can use force?!?!?!
Don't expect a coherent answer on this question anytime soon with these people.
They have an inherent distrust of authority even through they benefit from the system. I've always wondered why they don't go to Burma or Iran and fight real oppression - oh wait thats right beacuse they wouldn't last 5 minutes before they're slung upside down with policement brating the soles of their feet.
There are no circumstances in which the police should even exisit!!
Dissent will always be criminal if it will be effective in destabilising the state or captalism. The only reason we are allowed to protest and march is because it is not threating to the established heirachy.
But just because something is criminal does not make it wrong; nor does something legal make it right.
Indigenous peoples all over the world are forced to take up arms to defend their land base and right to self determination. Look at what is happening in with the zapatistas and in Palestine.Many of us support this armed resistance overseas so why should that support be any different when the fight is, rightfully so, being bought to Aotearoa?
In palestine, the people are under constant military offensives by a racist (zionist) state. Their houses are destroyed by bombs before their very eyes. Their people are killed without hesitation. Their land is taken and settled by Jews Only. Do not compare the injustice Maori suffer to this. Maori have not grounds for an armed struggle. You want to see a reason for armed resistance, go to Palestine. Till then, shut the fuck up.
The only state that does not need any police is a police state.
So said wise old Bill Lee (William Burroughs).
Idealism is a beautiful idea. The reality of anarchy is not so pretty. It's great that you are so positive about the nature of man. You must be to think a state without police would be a good idea. I recommend you go to the library and do a bit of travelling.
Re: Solidarity with the Urewera 17! Free them now!
Date Edited: 18 Oct 2007 06:27:14 AM
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Re: Re: Solidarity with the Urewera 17! Free them now!
They have an inherent distrust of authority even through they benefit from the system. I've always wondered why they don't go to Burma or Iran and fight real oppression - oh wait thats right beacuse they wouldn't last 5 minutes before they're slung upside down with policement brating the soles of their feet.
Re: Re: Solidarity with the Urewera 17! Free them now!
Dissent will always be criminal if it will be effective in destabilising the state or captalism. The only reason we are allowed to protest and march is because it is not threating to the established heirachy.
But just because something is criminal does not make it wrong; nor does something legal make it right.
Indigenous peoples all over the world are forced to take up arms to defend their land base and right to self determination. Look at what is happening in with the zapatistas and in Palestine.Many of us support this armed resistance overseas so why should that support be any different when the fight is, rightfully so, being bought to Aotearoa?
Re: Re: Re: Solidarity with the Urewera 17! Free them now!
Re: Re: Re: Solidarity with the Urewera 17! Free them now!
So said wise old Bill Lee (William Burroughs).
Idealism is a beautiful idea. The reality of anarchy is not so pretty. It's great that you are so positive about the nature of man. You must be to think a state without police would be a good idea. I recommend you go to the library and do a bit of travelling.