Since when is the Left "over-reacting"? The coppers are obviously lying about some of the arrested, accusing them of things that everyone knows they wouldn't do. Why, then, should we give any credence to these professional perjurers when they make accusations about others?
While they have been free with vague but defamatory accusations, the coppers have not come forward with any evidence to back them up. Maybe those "unsettled" by the coppers' scare stories should calm down & take a dose of "innocent till proven guilty". And don't hold your breath waiting for the coppers to come through.
I wasn't "unsettled" by "police scare stories" but the automatica assumption that iti and co. are blameless. Some - most? - of those arrested are probably 'guilty' of nothing more than naive association, but some may have more to hide. I've asked this before without getting an answer - why are people so certain that there isn't something behind the allegations? Why are you so trusting of people who may have agendas at odds with what they tell you. you're quick to disbelieve the police, but you should turn some of that admirable sceptcism on your fellows.
We're certain that some of those arrested are innocent. The cops aren't making any distinction between the arrestees, so if they were wrong about some, we have no reason to think they were right about any of them, unless they come up with some compelling evidence to the contrary.
How do we know that you aren't a terrorist. Short answer, we don't. However, in the absence of any firm evidence that you are, we assume you aren't. A bit like we are doing with Tame Iti and the other arrestees. A society that allows armed enforcers to arrest people on suspicion of being terrorists without any evidence that this is so, is not a society I want to live in.
You don't actually understand what the presumption of innocence means, do you?
It doesn't mean that a person is presumed innocent at every stage of legal proceedings - otherwise, no-one could ever be arrested for anything:
"Well, you're standing over your wife's body with a knife in your hand that exactly matches the 23 stab wounds in her torso, but I must presume your innocent so I'll let you go."
The presumption of innocence means that when the case comes to court, the defendant does not have to prove that he or she didn't commit the crime - the prosecution must show that they did, or at least very likely that it is likely they did.
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While they have been free with vague but defamatory accusations, the coppers have not come forward with any evidence to back them up. Maybe those "unsettled" by the coppers' scare stories should calm down & take a dose of "innocent till proven guilty". And don't hold your breath waiting for the coppers to come through.
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How do we know that you aren't a terrorist. Short answer, we don't. However, in the absence of any firm evidence that you are, we assume you aren't. A bit like we are doing with Tame Iti and the other arrestees. A society that allows armed enforcers to arrest people on suspicion of being terrorists without any evidence that this is so, is not a society I want to live in.
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It doesn't mean that a person is presumed innocent at every stage of legal proceedings - otherwise, no-one could ever be arrested for anything:
"Well, you're standing over your wife's body with a knife in your hand that exactly matches the 23 stab wounds in her torso, but I must presume your innocent so I'll let you go."
The presumption of innocence means that when the case comes to court, the defendant does not have to prove that he or she didn't commit the crime - the prosecution must show that they did, or at least very likely that it is likely they did.