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VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

Most workers will vote Labour this election. To vote otherwise would be stupid while Labour is offering such inducements. And workers are not stupid. We need Labour back in office to expose the fact that these election bribes are paid for by workers in the first place, and that their real interests are to have their own workers' government, socialise the means of production and run their lives for themselves.
original at www.geocities.com/communistworker/
VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

It’s election time again.

Why should we bother voting for our exploiters to go exploiting us for another 3 years? Unfortunately, in New Zealand workers are not rushing to the barricades to join the communist party and overthrow capitalism. That’s because there is no communist party that intervenes in their daily lives and offers an alternative to parliamentary democracy.

Nor are workers rushing to the polls in high hopes of Labour reforming capitalism. Their horizons have been crippled somewhat by 20 years of neo-liberal defeats. Therefore, once again, Labour is the party that most workers will vote for in the hope that it will defend what is left of the welfare state and reject the future of NZ as an outright US colony.

We oppose Labour’s bourgeois program but while workers still see Labour as the party historically linked to unions we will vote tactically for a Labour Government. To do this we have to put socialist demands on Labour to prove that it will always put the bosses’ profits before workers needs, and that only the organization of a mass workers’ movement based on the unions can deliver on these demands by fighting for a Workers’ Government.

Communists do not believe in the bosses elections as a means of winning any significant reforms let alone transforming capitalism, but the vast majority of NZ workers do not yet agree with us. We could say it over an over again, but this would not change anything. Workers would rather vote for a party that has a better chance of defending and extending their historic gains than any socialist pie in the sky. While the economy remains strong and small gains can still be won by this means there is no way that the working class will set out on the long march to overthrow parliament.

Tactical or 'critical' support

Tactically, therefore, communists have to accompany the mass of workers as they once more trudge down the parliamentary road at the same time always pointing out clearly that it’s a dead end. At the same time we have to raise a socialist program to demand answers to what workers need now. That fact that Labour cannot deliver on these demands and will increasingly turn on and attack workers will sooner or later expose them as a bosses’ party.

This may take some time. We know that in countries like Bolivia where the revolutionary workers and peasants are mobilised in the hundreds of thousands, the parliamentary road becomes seen to be a dead end only when it turns the state forces onto the workers making them pay with their dead. New Zealand is still some way from such a revolutionary situation.

It pretty obvious to most workers that right now Labour meets the immediate needs of workers better than National. Yes, Labour turned from being a party that protected NZ manufacturers before 1984 to one that forced them to compete internationally after 1984. This cost many jobs and much misery. But for all the neo-liberal reforms of 1984-1990 Labour did not take an axe to the welfare state or to the unions. Its role is to manage capitalism by disciplining the working class on behalf of capital. It does this by subsidizing a skilled labour force that can produce rising levels of surplus-value, and empowering the unions to bureaucratically control that labour force.

National's slash and burn capitalism

When National came into office in 1990 it introduced sweeping changes to industrial relations (Employment Contracts Act) that virtually smashed the unions. Membership dropped from around 50% to around 15% and workers rights were attacked wholesale. Along with this, within a couple of weeks of being elected Ruth Richardson slashed welfare benefits and superannuation and ensured that a whole new generation was born into levels of hardship and poverty not heard of since the 1930s.

National’s full frontal attack on workers between 1993 and 1999 was held back by its dependence on a slim majority from 1993 and coalition partners NZ First and others after 1996. In other words National could not muster a majority of votes to complete its new right agenda by 1999. What appears to be attracting many people back to National in 2005 is National’s stealing of ACT’s clothes to finish the new right agenda with tax cuts and the privatisation of health and education via bulk funding.

Moreover, while Labour has kept most of the new right economic reforms intact (low inflation, low taxation, social spending in check etc) the key areas of the welfare state, health, education and housing have been defended and unions have been made ‘stakeholders’ again alongside business and government. By comparison with Labour’s funding of superannuation and scrapping of interest on student loans, National’s return to tax and spending cuts, work-for-the-dole and union bashing, makes Labour look almost ‘socialist’.

But most telling, Brash has made it clear that National will return to the foreign policy of the 1960s and 1970s when Holyoake backed the US war in Vietnam. While Labour would have fought a UN-sponsored war in Iraq, Brash would have sent in NZ troops alongside Bush, Blair and Howard etc. Furthermore, Labour stakes its whole liberal reputation on keeping the nuclear ban in place, but Brash will get rid of it “by lunchtime”.

Labour's social imperialism

Labour has kept its distance from the US and has paid the price by losing a free trade agreement. Yet Lockwood Smith wants NZ in lockstep with Uncle Sam for a few cents more on the price of beef. Labour has largely gone along with the ‘war on terror’, sending troops to Afghanistan and frigates to the Gulf. It has jumped to impose ‘anti-terror’ legislation at home, but it still opens its borders to large numbers of refugees and asylum seekers. National would march with Bush, Blair and Howard to Guantanamo and back. And if it forms a coalition with NZ First it will be expelling Muslims by morning prayers.

That’s the stark choice facing workers; a government that creates profits for US imperialism by subsidizing workers’ productivity, or a government that uses workers as cannon fodder for US imperialism? Voting Labour against National in this election is to keep in power a party that believes it can exploit workers better by enlisting their support and not killing them without UN approval, as opposed to another party that like Bush, Blair and Howard thinks that the best way to exploit workers it to treat them as greedy individuals or collateral damage.

Yet workers don’t yet see that the Labour alternative is social imperialist. It pays for welfare at home by backing imperialism abroad. They share Labour’s illusions in the UN as a multilateral world community that is capable of replacing naked Anglo/Yankee imperialist terror. Right now they will vote Labour to stop Brash from sending their children to Yankee wars. We support them tactically to prove in practice that Labour’s ‘human rights’ imperialism is a ‘soft cop’ version of Bush and Brash’s ‘tough cop’ military imperialism.

NZ First

National may need the help of NZ First to form a government. Would NZ First have moderating effect as it did in 1996? No! In no way should workers vote NZ First in the hope that it will back Labour or put limits on National. Peter’s scurrilous attack on Muslims under the cover of ‘terrorism’ is a thinly veiled appeal to racism and much more virulent than that against Asians because the ‘war on terror’ labels radical Islam as the new threat to civilisation.

NZ First is likely to pursue a more right wing agenda than last time when they showed they were no friend to workers. Indeed, some of them turned out to be even more in National’s pocket than their leader. Ex-union official Tau Henare and others left New Zealand First to help prop up the National Government when the bulk of the New Zealand First caucus decided it was no longer in their political interests to stay in bed with National. Today Henare is a full-blown member of the National party, standing as a list candidate.

The Greens

A Labour government may need the backing of the Greens. They are a party which often appeals to more “progressive” voters. Commentator Chris Trotter said that the New Zealand Greens are probably the most left-wing Green party in the world that has made it into political office. On the face of it there seems to be some truth in this with people like ex-Socialist Action League member Keith Locke and ex-Workers Communist League member Sue Bradford. Young people in particular, are often attracted to the Greens Environmental approach and pro-cannabis platform.

Some left parties such as the Socialist Workers organization encourage people to vote for the Greens seeing them as a progressive voice. We do not see the Greens as progressive in the slightest. While they get workers’ support they divert them from voting Labour and putting demands on it in office, and from organising a labour movement independently of parliament.

While the Greens have supported Labour on some important issues for workers it is important to always remember it is a petty-bourgeoisie party which does not have its base in the working class. Its interests are not ultimately that of workers but with ‘democratic’ national capitalists. It opposes free trade agreements to defend jobs at home by opposing jobs in free trade zones unless ‘democratic’ capitalists legislate for labour rights. It opposes Mugabe’s neo-colonial regime in Zimbabwe by backing Bush and Blair’s hypocritical policy of sanctions. It also adopts an anti-science position on GE and nuclear power because it believes that capitalism can be managed to sustain the environment. For all these reasons we do not advocate that workers vote for Green candidates or the Green Party as this takes votes away from Labour.

The rest of the left

The Alliance has moved left to form a small democratic socialist party since the split over Afghanistan when Anderton and Robson went off to form the “Progressive Party”. The Alliance should have liquidated itself back into the Labour Party in 1993 when it was obvious that workers were prepared to back Labour again against National’s new right attacks. Its survival as a separate party says more about Jim Anderton’s ego and the machinations and ambitions of his lieutenant Matt McCarten wheeler dealing in parliament. Today Anderton has renamed his party “Anderton’s Progressive Party” like a brand of snake oil. McCarten “went off” to the Maori Party and then to Workers’ Charter.

All of these currents are oriented to parliament but are engaged in bitter infighting so that they are thankfully largely irrelevant to the main contest between National and Labour. We do not advocate a vote to the Alliance, Progressive or any other ‘left’ party on the basis of this or that supposed ‘workers’ program since that only diverts and delays workers from breaking with Labour and parliament. This is also the problem with the Maori Party as it is hoping to use the ‘balance of power’ to pressure a Labour or National government.

The Maori Party

The Maori party will obviously appeal to many Maori disillusioned with the Labour Party’s approach to Maori issues, particularly over the Seabed and Foreshore issue. We took a strong position against Labour’s legislation on the Seabed and Foreshore, calling for occupations that could be backed by both Maori and non-Maori workers. But we didn’t support the formation of the Maori Party. We characterised it as a cross class party that splits the labour movement and draws Maori workers in behind petty bourgeois leaders whose program is for Maori to vote as a bloc to reform capitalism rather than mobilise workers for land, foreshore or industry occupations. The Maori Party may continue Turia’s voting record for Labour on some things and National on others consistent with its kaupapa of Maori petty-capitalism first, workers second. We do not advocate votes for Maori Party Candidates or the Maori Party.

Break from parliament

As communists we harbour no illusions that Labour can deliver socialism for workers but it is important to give it tactical support while most workers see their policies as able to meet the interests of their class. In tactically supporting Labour we recognize all their failings and see it for what it is, a right wing social democratic bosses’ party which manages capitalism to the greatest extent it possibly can by keeping the labour movement on the parliamentary road. The parliamentary road is not the road to socialism but it cannot be boycotted until an independent workers movement and a revolutionary party is built capable of ultimately challenging parliamentary rule and that of the capitalist ruling class.

WORKERS’ ACTION PROGRAM

· Jobs for all on a living wage – 35 hour week! 24 hour free child care!

· Tax the Rich; Tax Capital Gains!

· Open the borders to worker migrants!

· Re-nationalise Rail, Telecom, etc with no compensation and under workers’ control!

· Troops out of Afghanistan!

· For a Workers’ Government!
 
 
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Re: VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

Vote for Me or else.


Tee hee hee
 

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Porcupine: I stand corrected on voter turnout figures in recent elections. I wonder, though, whether the turnout was much lower in 2002 because there didn't seem to be so much at stake, with Labour securely ensconced in the Beehive instead of the hated Nats, who were low in the polls? That was after all the election where Peter Dunne somehow managed to get about 6% of the vote. I get the feeling that workers feel there is a lot more riding on this one, because there's a real chance of Brash getting in, and because Brash has moved away from the centre ground Bill English tried to compete with Helen Clark for. I think it's fair to say there is a real fear amongst trade unionists of the reintroduction of the ECA, and the consequences that would have, for private sector unions especially (to say this is not to deny that Labour's replacement for the ECA is not so great itself, just a little better). I guess if I am right about this we'll see a higher turnout this time.

I agree with your points about changes in the nature of the Labour Party, from mass membership and lots of unions wielding a bloc vote to a much more minimalist model which makes it easier for a cadre drawn from the professions and the labour aristocracy to run the show. But I don't agree that Labour has ceased to be a bourgeois workers' party, simply because I don't think any other label works as well. I think at the last election the CWG described Labour as a 'degenerated bourgeois workers party', which might be more precise. In many ways, I think we now have the worst of both worlds - virtually every union of any size gives political backing to Labour, yet only a handful are actually affiliated to the party, and have a bloc vote at conferences. In the UK, by contrast, almost all the unions are still inside Labour, and they still wield around 50% of the votes at conferences, giving them a good deal of clout and setting the scene for some real fireworks as they confront Blairism. This election time it is once again trade unions which are doing the lion's share of Labour's electioneering, and the aid which unions have given to Labour is reflected in the small improvements to industrial relations legislation they have won. Though these improvements are small, they make a real difference on the ground to the ability of the unions to rebuild themselves. They also open up contradictions, when the unions flex their muscles and try to win things which threaten Labour's cosy relationship with bosses. The push for multi-employer collective agreements is one such example - under the Nats, new MECAs were virtually impossible, but under Labour's Employment Relations Act they have become a spectre haunting some parts of the public as well as private sectors (cf the recent strikes at Auckland University).

Don: I don't see how a mass revolutionary workers' organisation is going to emerge, if not by breaking the union movement away from Labour and reformism. We saw a half-split at the end of the 80s, as the New Labour Party was born and some unions affiliated to it and later to the Alliance, but of course a lot of the potential of that moment was lost, as the new party embraced 'Old Labour' thinking, rather revolutionary politics, and the revolutionary minority was purged by Anderton and McCarten. Nevertheless, I think that is a rough model for the sort of split we need to see in the labour movement in the years ahead. The only possible alternative route to a mass revolutionary organisation that I can see comes from Maori and their grassroots organisations, but the ACA seems very pessimistic, much more so than me, on this front. I'd be interested to know where you see the new party coming from.
 

Re: VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

Hahahahahaha!!!

...surely this is bait, or someone's idea of a sense of humour.
 

Re: VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

kia ora koutou katoa
Vote labour. Oh right....is that the best the commos can come up with..smash capitialism later........you poor sick deluded idiots. Yeah like play the rich white mans game and vote.......why didnt I think of that one. How long did it take you to think this one up people? Like about 10 secs? To vote is to agree. To vote is to say yes your sytem is ok. To vote is to say you agree with the control of the rich white man over our lives. Oh it is something new to ask us to wait till later to crush capitialism? No it isnt. In fact it is a very old CALL INDEED. Many good people ahve tried to win by using the system but in the end thye have lost. You can only win by educating those using the system that it only deliver to those who have, not those who dont. Are you afraid of the struggle, then real work folks? Me thinks you are with you talk of smashing capitialism but all you really want is to be in control yourselves. Time to stand up against the system and so no more control of our lives by money and the owners/controlers of it. gess you people make me mad. How many more people need to die while you wait? Fuck all who call us to wait. The time to wait is gone. We should be hard core educating our young ones to see there is hope in change. There is hope in working towards a new future. Gess you people. You make me angry.
 

Re: VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

'Many good people ahve tried to win by using the system but in the end thye have lost. You can only win by educating those using the system that it only deliver to those who have, not those who dont'

Agreed. But how do you do this? The article above puts forward one suggestion: if workers are determined to vote for a party which claims to be the solution to their problems, tell them to vote for this party and put it to the test, so that when it disappoints them, as it inevitably will, they can learn the lessons. This is called the 'hanged man' approach to voting ('we support the reformists like a rope supports a hanged man'). It's not the same as saying vote for Labour because they're the lesser evil - in fact, it's the opposite. The only really important difference between Labour and National is that workers by and large support Labour not National. National is discredited in their eyes; Labour is not. So who would you rather have in power, sucking up to the Yanks in Iraq and Afghanistan and shafting poor workers with the Jobs Jolt? If the Nats do it the workers expect it; if Labour do it some of them might go 'uh-huh', and learn something about Labour. It hasn't really happened in NZ yet, but it is happening in Germany, where the Social Democratic Party has split apart. And it did happen on a smaller scale with the Alliance from 1999-2002.

The question is: what is the alternative? (And I don't mean this in a sarcastic rhetorical way, I'm genuinely interested in what your alternativew way of turning people on to the real nature of Labour is).
 

Re: VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

This article has got some extremely weird reasoning. So voting for the right wing agenda of Labour will eventually bring about smashing capitalism. Huh?

"The idea that socialists standing for elections somehow prepares for revolution is simply wrong - it only prepares people for following leaders. It does not encourage the self-activity, self-organisation, direct action and mass struggle required for a social revolution. There is nothing more isolated, atomised and individualistic than voting. It is the act of one person in a closet by themselves. Voting creates no alternative organs of working class power."
www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php

"National is discredited in their eyes; Labour is not."

Nope. I think there is heaps and heaps of disillusioned ex-Labour voters in the working class. A lot of workers used to vote Labour, but since Labour has become a sort of PC middle class neoliberal party run by lawyers and lecturers many have got turned off. There has been a big increase in the number of people not voting, because i suspect many of them find Labour little different from National. A lot of workers, esp. blue collar ones, don't feel represented in parliament anymore. I think the CWG's strategy is stuck in the past when there was a more clear class line in voting. I think your strategy is out of touch with today.

Also, it is interesting that the CWG doesn't have much of an analysis of National. The problem isn't just the Nats foreign policy, but also their domestic policy of:
-- tax cuts (disproportinately for the rich) funded by slashing welfare
-- reducing benefits, tightening eligibility for benefits, work for the dole, work tests for benefits, time limits for benefits
-- privatising education, increasing funding for private schools while decreasing funding for public schools
-- reprivatising ACC
-- market rents for state housing
-- rejecting the Kyoto protocol
-- repealing the ERA and granting capitalists to hire and fire at will for the first three months of employment, outlawing strikes to support multi employer contracts

ie. the Nats policy is just a swooped up and more nasty and comprehensive version of what Labour has been doing for the last few years.
 

Re: VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

'Neo-Labour' springs to mind...
 

there is an alternative to voting Labour

Strangely, the CWG article omited to mention the only party which will be challenging the capitalists across the country, the Anti-Capitalist Alliance.

Our candidates don’t just pop up at election time. They are involved in campaigning all year round for the rights of workers and against all forms of oppression and discrimination.

Workers need a political movement of our own, which puts our interests first because it is a movement by, for and of us. Since the system we live under, capitalism, is based on our exploitation, such a movement needs to be explicitly anti-capitalist. It needs to aim for the overthrow of the capitalist system and its replacement by a new truly socialist society, based on organising production to meet the human needs of all rather than private profit for a super-rich few.

That’s the kind of movement the Anti-Capitalist Alliance is trying to build from one end of New Zealand to the other, especially in workplaces and working class communities. One part of building such a movement is running in elections, to challenge the parties which defend and manage exploitation and oppression and to get our ideas out to the widest possible audience.

The five-point platform of the ACA forms the basis of our election campaign. These are the core ideas on which we want to build a new political movement. In addition, we will be challenging the propaganda of the capitalist parties, taking up immediate issues which confront workers and generally promoting the idea that we need to get rid of capitalism and establish a working people’s republic.
 

Re: VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

Under National, man oppresses man. Under Labour it's the other way round.

Both parties offer 'Die now, pay later'.
 

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Don wrote:

'Workers need a political party of their own, one that puts our interests first'

And I agree. The question is how to create such an organisation. I think you'll agree that it can only come into being when some of the trade unions peel away from Labour and reformist politics, bringing a mass membership with them.

I am not against anti-capitalists using the election hustings as a platform to make propaganda: in 1999 I gave my electorate vote to the Communist League, and in 2002 I gave it to the ACA. But the problem is that only a tiny number of people listen to, let alone vote for, the far left at present in NZ. This is not the fault of the far left - it's a reflection of all sorts of conditions over which we have no control. NZ isn't Bolivia. The problem inevitably arises of how to deal with friends, workmates, family and even people on the activist left who are determined to vote Labour, because they see the idea of socialism as pie in the sky and believe that Labour is preferable to National. As far as I can tell there are three different answers we can possibly make to these people:

1. The purist answer: 'You shouldn't vote Labour as they are just another capitalist party. You should become a revolutionary and work to smash capitalism.'

Whilst I have great sympathy with people who take this position, I don't really think it is going to have much impact on the vast majority of would-be Labour voters. To them, it sounds very abstract, to say the least.

2. The 'lesser evil' answer: 'Well, it's true that Labour is a bit better than National on key areas like employment law and public services, so I guess if you have to choose between them it's better to choose the lesser evil'.

The problem I have with this answer is that it risks sowing passivity and also illusions in Labour, who could easily end up being not much better than National at all, especially if the economic upturn evaporates over the next three years.

3. The 'hanged man' answer: 'If you really think Labour is the only option because you want to keep the Nats out, then go ahead and vote for them, but get ready to fight for what you want, because they won't give it to you willingly, and in fact they're going to stab you in the back. Maybe then you'll see where I'm coming from when I say they're no good and we need a real workers' party'

Or words to that effect. To me the hanged man approach seems the best because it engages with where most people are at, ie the fact that they have illusions in Labour, but doesn't (hopefully) reinforce their illusions by presenting Labour as a lesser evil.

Porcupine wrote:

'This article has got some extremely weird resoning'

It will seem weird to many on indymedia for at least three reasons. In the first place, it is based on what workers in the trade unions that CWG members belong to are saying, and there is a big gap between where most workers are at and where the activist community here is at. This isn't anyone's fault - it's just a reality after 20 years of defeats which have left most workers divorced from any sort of activism.

The article will also seem strange because it is based on the definition of the Labour Party as a 'bourgeois workers party' - a party with a working class base (albeit mediated by the middle class) and a bourgeois programme. Like most important Marxist concepts, 'bourgeois workers party' captures a contradictory reality, and thus can seem, on the surface, incoherent.

The CWG's refusal to call for a vote for the Greens will also seem strange to many, because the policies of the Greens are well to the left of those of Labour. But the CWG is trying to say that the social base of the Greens is more important than their temporary policy positions: the fact that they represent the interests of a section of the middle class, and are not in any way constrained by trade unions or even a large working class voter base, means that they can move quickly to the right, when they go into government and the contradiction between the interests of the small capitalists they represent and the working class is exposed. This is what has happened in Germany - while the Social Democrats have been torn apart by their worker base protesting their neo-liberal programe, the Greens have remained relatively intact, and moved even further to the right than the Soc Dems. In some cities they are actually in government with the Christian Dems (Nats).

I'm not sure whether there has been a big increase in people not voting, as Porcupine claims - didn't the figure fall in the last two elections? I think that a lot of the people who become disillusioned with Labour as too PC shift to supporting NZ First, and even the ones who don't vote don't seem to actually organise in any way to challenge Labour's agenda. It's easy for us on the activist left, who are always hearing about and talking about Labour's failings, to underestimate how attached many workers still remain to Labour. Earlier this year a friend of mine who works for a trade union had to organise a sort of convention for trade union delegates, the vast majority of them blue collar, and she set aside some time for specifically political discussion, hoping, I think, that the issue of Labour's record and the possibility of an alternative to Labour might come up. In the event, the delegates spent the entire afternoon enthusiastically brainstorming ways in which their union could help get Labour re-elected this year! Depressing, I know, but that's the reality we're trying to deal with. I'm not saying the CWG has all the answers, but I think you have to recognise it is at least asking some of the right questions.
 

disagreement

'Workers need a political party of their own, one that puts our interests first'

"The question is how to create such an organisation. I think you'll agree that it can only come into being when some of the trade unions peel away from Labour and reformist politics, bringing a mass membership with them."

No, I don't agree with that proposition at all.

Nor with the core CWG proposition that:
"We oppose Labour’s bourgeois program but while workers still see Labour as the party historically linked to unions we will vote tactically for a Labour Government."

Both propositions implie ( among other things) a mass democratic worker controlled union movement. This has always been a bit of a romantic fiction. Since the inception of unionism in Aotearoa there's been a militant tendency and a collaborationist tendency. At present the collaborationist tendency is emphatically dominant. CTU led "campaigns" over the last few years have been a dreary procession of cheerleading for various second rate Labour party policies. Unionism is currently at a dangerously low level, organisationally and politically.
For example, in his speech praising David Lange, EPMU leder Andrew Little refered to the Rogernomics attack on workers as a "necessary revolution" - and was not seriously challenged by any other unionists. What does that say about where unionism is at? To my mind the CTU leaders/Labour party relationship has much in common with the unhealthy tie up unions in Stalinist countries had with their so called communist governments.
Of course trade union struggle is an important factor in party building, but I agree to some extent with Porcupine that CWG policy on this issue has a dated ring to it.
 

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Scott, yes, there is a big gap between workers and activists. And sure, many workers and unionists still support Labour as you have found out, mainly i think because of the lesser evil argument. But that attachment to Labour is much more loose now, particularly with young working class people, who are more inclined to swing in their vote in contrast to the older generations who voted for one party all their lives.

Labour is not a mass membership party anymore. My parents used to be in the Labour Party but they left in disgust after 1984. Tens of thousands of other members of Labour did the same. Political parties don't rely upon mass membership for support and money, but instead on big business and spin doctors. Parties are more of a top-down operation now, it is all about manipulating people through the media and sound bites.

At the moment i reckon Labour has the most solid support in the wealthy white collar working class and the liberal middle class, and it is this sector of society that they are targeting this election (they are trying to fatten the wallets of so-called middle NZ). So I am disputing your analysis that they are a bourgeois workers' party. They are now a bourgeois party with a mixed class base, not a working class one anymore.

Sure, in the past there was a strong class bias towards Labour. But statistics have proved more recently that that correlation has gone askew. Its much more mixed now.

People not voting has gone up. In 99, 85 per cent voted. In 2002, it went down to 77 per cent or so. Together with the 10 per cent who don't vote, that means the amount of people who don't vote or don't register is very close to what Labour is polling now. Sure, it doesn't mean they are into active resistance, but at least it signifies a high level of voter disillusionment and waryness, and a much more volatile situation.

Even though many unions support Labour, is that just a reflection of the views of a few union delegates rather than the rank and file?

This more open and fluid situation reflects the reality is that many, if not most, working class people are confused. The Labour Party has openly attacked us since 1984, made us work longer and harder for less pay, cut our benefits, cut our leisure time. We know this because we experience it every day, every bloody week. But there is no real alternative to Labour. Most unions have been smashed, and new ones such as Unite are just as bureaucratic as the old ones. The Alliance has disappeared. The Greens are wishy washy liberals. So what do you do in this situation? Get depressed and not vote and give up, or vote for Labour to stop the Nats get in? Workers are doing both.

I think to get a viable alternative to Labour going, it needs to be based on grassroots resistance to capitalism and all their stooges (such as the Labour Party), not on electoral campaigning.

In my view, the main reason why activists are so isolated here is most of them are more concerned with international moral issues or moral issues or building their own sect or copycatting movements from overseas. Just look at the main page of Indymedia Aotearoa for example. You would never know that the most militant wing of the working class here is Maori from reading Indymedia. And many Maori are understandibly suspicious of Labour, but then there is multi class Maori Party...
 

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Vote Greens Now. Smash Capitalism Now.

let the greens stay on the defensive against the Labour parties policies, in parliament and in the mainstream media while the socialists work towards building democratic, independent, grassroots, socialist organisations, solidarity, communities, media and opposition to the state and capitalism.

why bother trying to reform the unreformable?-let the reformists continue their reforming while the smashing of capitalism continues outside the electoral system
 

revolutionary stuff

" I don't see how a mass revolutionary workers' organisation is going to emerge, if not by breaking the union movement away from Labour and reformism... I'd be interested to know where you see the new party coming from."


What is "the union movement"?

Is it the totality of workers who pay union dues?

Is it the social layer of overwhelmingly collaborationist law abiding bureaucrats who run the union offices?

There is an ongoing relationship between those two social groups which waxes and wanes, but it does not amount to a unified social force capable of "breaking away with reformism"
In almost every formal speech he makes, Ross Wilson claims that the CTU is the "biggest democratic organisation in New Zealand" His frquent vociferous claims do not make his assertion a fact.
In fact the amount of mass decision making at national level is less than there was in the days of the Federation of Labour, and the amount of rank and file input, let alone control, of most union organisations is minimal. There is very little active democracy in New Zealand political life and the CTU is certainly no special repository of it. If you doubt that, try getting a struggle going through the official channels of whatever union you're in and see how you go.

The next workers party of signifigance will come from workers discarding reformist ideas for marxist ideas in the course of industrial and political struggles. This is happening in a very small way right now. When there are mass strikes and revolutions - which are mass strikes writ large and taken to their logical conclusion - people can change their ideas very rapidly. This can be seen even in the case of small strikes. Strikes, as well as requiring sacrifice, are liberating, inspiring, educational,exciting and life changing. Because our rulers realise this they do everything they can to prevent them happening.

That's not all that could be said in answer to the rather big question you pose, but its my starting point.
 

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Scott: "I think you'll agree that it can only come into being when some of the trade unions peel away from Labour and reformist politics, bringing a mass membership with them."
Don: "Since the inception of unionism in Aotearoa there's been a militant tendency and a collaborationist tendency"

It is the *job* of the unions to pacify the working class and to prevent wildcat strikes and any serious uprising. That's why the ruling class tolerates them.
No 'tendency' will 'peel away' from that objective.
 

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"Meaningful action, for revolutionaries, is whatever increases the confidence, the autonomy, the initiative, the participation, the solidarity, the egalitarian tendencies and the self-activity of the masses and whatever assists in their demystification. Sterile and harmful action is whatever reinforces the passivity of the masses, their apathy, their cynicism, their differentiation through hierarchy, their alienation, their reliance on others to do things for them and the degree to which they can therefore be manipulated by others - even by those allegedly acting on their behalf."
-- Solidarity, As We See it
 

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Don: thanks for the examples. I agree about the importance of strikes, of course, but I wonder whether there is more chance of the sort of strikes you talk about if Labour is returned to office? In a previous post I gave the example of the changes in industrial relations law which have made the push for MECAs a great deal easier, and thus led to strike action at, for example, Auckland University (the first strikes ever!). I think the experience of the 1990s suggests that the reintroduction of the ECA which is certain under a National administration will make it extremely difficult for unions, especially private sector unions, to prosper, and quite likely lead to a very sharp drop off in class struggle, which isn't exactly raging even at the moment.

Marcus wrote:
'It is the *job* of the unions to pacify the working class'

Well, they don't always do a very good job! They certainly didn't do a good job here in 1913 or 1951, or on countless other occasions. I think your viewpoint is pretty one-sided.

'No 'tendency' will 'peel away' from that objective.'

That remains to be seen, but I note that in recent times the trade unions in several South American countries have moved from being essentially reformist organisations, working by and large within the rules set by capitalism, to adopting revolutionary programmes. Examples are the COB, which is the Bolivian equivalent of our CTU, the UNT, which is a trade union confederation set up in Venezuela in 2002, and certain individual unions in Argentina. In Venezuela, the UNT calls for the establishment of a workers' state and has succeeded in establishing workers' control over a number of important factories. Yet a number of the UNT affiliates have their roots in what was a notoriously corrupt union confederation, the CTV.
If the UNT is 'pacifying the working class' then I am Don Brash.

I have never thought the Solidarity quote repeated here is very useful, because it doesn't explain what any of the positive or negative terms - iniative, manipulation etc - it uses actually mean. Ross Wilson would probably agree with it - he'd just have a different conception of the meaning of the terms. Ironically, Solidarity owed its existence to the peculiar nature of the British trade unions - in particular, the importance of shop stewards within them. During the period when Solidarity was first active something like 95% of strikes were technically wildcats, yet it would be quite wrong to say they were actions 'against' traditional British trade unionism. They were rooted in the very decentralised nature of trade union power in Britain.
 

VOTE LABOUR NOW AND SMASH CAPITALISM IN YOUR DREAMS

I'd just like to support the sentiments of "moi aussi".

Thanks guys, it's good to start the working day with a smile!
 

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CWG Wrote.. VOTE LABOUR NOW TO SMASH CAPITALISM LATER

Your taking the piss right????????
 

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I think you all miss the point. You spend your life discussing the enemy rather than how to defeat them. You discuss how to bring them down rather than how we create something new. You talk about using what is clearly a white rich man's system to bring down the white rich man. Please tell me that that makes sense and how it does? I am confused on that point myself. So for many years people have been voting for so called left wing govt partys and getting their heads kicked in, please dont tell me the greens are anything but labour with another colour, and your solutions are to keep voting??? Is that what you are saying? You radicals you. Yeah kick arse and vote again and again and again and lets hope it works some time, one time.
Oh please. A system that represses poor people is a good system is it?
I do wonder, no I dont wonder, I cry for the poor in this country. Not one of you has any idea what their needs are. You seem to think thye can wait for you to vote someone in who will help them. Even though this has never happened in all our countrys history. Government politics has never, will never, can never deliver to the poor of any country including this one. You are all great at words but very poor at actions.You refuse to challenge govts and therefore you once again and no different to the capitialist, you leave the poor with no options but to remain slaves of the rich class.
Labour is not now nor has it ever been a party of the left. Oh I can hear you all screaming it was born out of the struggle of workers which may be correct but it didnt remain that for very long at all. It lasted about till we decided to vote someone in who could/would help the workers. I didnt happen then and it wont happen now. If workers have ever won anything in govts it is soon taken away from them by the same govt or a new govt. You all know very well,look at the tax cuts being offered, that they dont need the poor to vote or to vote for them. Isnt that clear to some of you?
DONT VOTE BUT DO WORK FOR REAL CHANGE FOR ALL THE WORKING CLASS.
 

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If i was to write something about Labour, i would get stuck into the dominant ideology that they are "centre left". Labour isn't deformed bourgeois workers party, its a bourgeois party through and through. It's on the centre-right. It's a class enemy. It's main difference with National is that it is more liberal than National in social policy (for example, the anti nuke thing, the civil union bill). But these liberal policies are just a smokescreen for more of the shame old neoliberal stuff. Think back to David Lange...

I'd agree with most of what Maatua says. The thing is that if we are going to get rid of capitalism the anti-capitalist movement needs to be based upon us (the dispossessed) realising our concrete needs and desires. Ultimately, our needs can't be met by waiting for others to act for us, but by organising ourselves.
 

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I think this is a pretty good discussion, and I was telling a friend about it today. She's a member of Radical Youth, a trade unionist, and helped to organise their demo the other day against youth rates. Her take on the election was 'If National win we are screwed. They even want to get rid of the minimum wage. Brash is a psycho. We can't be so pure as to not vote Labour/Green'.

That's not verbatim but pretty close. If someone like this, who considers themself a revolutionary anti-capitalist, is taking such a view, then I think it says something. At the end of the day you have to be able to relate to these people. Laughing at those who intend to vote Labour, as Sam and co seem to want to do, is no answer. Nor is saying that the working class should just get on with building pure independent institutions, as Maatua and several others do. As far as I am aware, no such institutions of any size exist in New Zealand. The only mass institutions used by the working class to advance its ends are, like it or not, the trade unions. The weaknesses of the unions, their reformist and bureaucratic character, reflect the state of the thinking of NZ workers, and this in turn reflects the weakness of the class. This rather depressing reality is the starting point for the CWG's arguments in the article posted above.
 

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Porcupine: I largely agree with you about the programme of Labour, but I think the problem with your definition of Labour as a simple bourgeois party rather than a bourgeois workers party (albeit degenerated) is that it ignores the party's continuing dependence on organised labour for much of its campaigning muscle and its continuing voter base in the working class.

You refer to Labour in the 80s as a bourgeois party too, but in those days the party had a very large membership (around 100,000 in 1984) and heaps of affiliated unions. I think it was therefore clearly a bourgeois workers party, a party with a bourgeois programme and a working class base. That's a big reason why Labour split, under the impact of Rogernomics. The contradiction between the party's neo-liberal programme and its working class base hit home.

No such thing happened to National, a straightforward bourgeois party, in the 90s, even though it deepened Labour's policies. The concept of bourgeois workers party can explain why Labour split and National didn't, because it differentiates them. Therefore I think it's still a useful label.
 

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You're fond of misrepresenting your opponents, Scott.I wasn't laughing at "those who intend to vote Labour", I was laughing at you and your analysis, and particularly your headline "Vote Labour now to smash capitalism later".

A simple, cynical attitude of "They're crap, but a smidge better than the others" seems quite a different attitude than your plan to accompany workers down the parliamentary road you know is a dead end in the vain hope that, rather than be disillusioned or lurch towards political apathy, they will suddenley see Labour for what it is.

"Communists do not believe in the bosses elections as a means of winning any significant reforms let alone transforming capitalism, but the vast majority of NZ workers do not yet agree with us."

Actually they do. The Marxist's don't seem to realise that their own religious attachment to their party isn't shared by others. Most Labour voters don't expect major reforms or the transformation of capitalism. They vote Labour with the very low expectations people have come to expect from political change.

Telling them the best they can do now is vote for neo-liberalism is hardly going to raise their hopes.
 

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Sorry if I misrepresented your position Sam.
But I haven't seen anything here by the critics of the CWG article (I didn't write it, btw) which gives me a clue as to how they'd engage constructively with people who have the attitude of the Radical Youth member I mentioned yesterday. I'm very open to other arguments as to how to approach the election - hell, I've never voted Labour in my life - but my present view is that the CWG position is not so the much the best, but better than the alternatives, if you know what I mean.

You seem to be arguing that the horizons of Labour voters are so low - that what they want is so modest - that it would be hard for Labour to disappoint them. I don't think this is a bad argument - in fact I made it myself in 2002 when I refused to vote Labour/Alliance. What has changed my mind is the attitude toward Labour of the trade unionists I've talked to since then, and also my experiences in the protests against the invasion of Iraq and the theft of the seabed and foreshore, when I saw quite a few people become quite disillusioned quite quickly with a government they thought stood for peace and justice. It's a pity that those people will mostly vote for the Greens and the Maori Party this election, but I nevertheless think they can be used as example of major disillusionment with Labour.

So far we haven't seen mass disillusionment in the union movement, but I don't think it's out of the question, especially if the economic upturn evaporates and Labour is unable to reach into its pockets to buy off groups like the nurses seeking pay increases.

I've pointed to Germany as a country where the sort of union disillusionmet with Labour that the CWG hopes to see is being experienced. Schroeder never promised socialism - he was along with Blair the architect of the Third Way - yet he has split his party with neo-liberal policies.
 

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I'm afraid its Sam who doesnt read properly.
Maybe he's too busy laughing.

We wrote above:

"Nor are workers rushing to the polls in high hopes of Labour reforming capitalism"

Workers have low expectations of Labour.

But those parties who say don't vote Labour because they have a more left, more people or worker friendly program, clearly think that parliament can be used to transform capitalism or that significant reforms at least are possible (Alliance, Greens, Maori Party).

As Scott says, workers who became disillusioned with Labour in the last period over the war or whatever, tended to vote for these other parties.

In other words they are still under the illusion that PARLIAMENT, with a more left party, can do the business for workers.

Unlike communists, they have not lost all their illusions about parliament and 'bosses' elections'.

Sam also seems to missed the point that Scott made about distinguishing between supporting Labour as the 'lesser evil' and 'critical support'.

The lesser evil position is not Marxist. It takes the immediate interests of workers for better wages, more sympathetic labour laws, more welfare as 'less evil' than the absence of these.

It is the realistic attitude of workers who are only conscious of capitalism as an inverted fetishised reality in which we are all seen as individuals competing in the marketplace. Judging Labours tax relief as better than Nationals tax cuts as a 'lesser evil' cannot be challenged by National winning the election. Workers' illusions in Labour as the lesser evil will remain while it is out of office.

Critical support is a Marxist tactic. It makes no concessions to bourgeois ideology. We do not accept that Labour is the lesser evil. Its role is to manage and discipline a highly productive workforce in order to increase profits for the bosses.

But since the majority of workers do not agree with us yet, we say put Labour in office precisely to prove that it is not the lesser evil, and that the immediate gains which workers see are not for their welfare but to better exploit them.

But as the article above explains this may take some time. It depends on the place of the economy in the global economy, its growth rate and the ability of governments to redistribute some of the rent from resources back to the people. NZ's high growth may be slowing down, but it is unlikely to put Labour in the position of being totally exposed as acting for the bosses to better exploit workers.

In Venezuela Chavez is able today to pass on huge benefits to the masses because the price of oil is around $70 a barrel. While this is the case, and while the US threatens to destabilise if not invade Venezuela, it will take a crisis before the masses recognise that Chavez cannot serve two masters, the bosses and the masses, and that sooner or later his allegiance to the bosses must prevail.

CWGs position in Venezuela is however, not to give critical support for Chavez because we see him as a Bonapartist leader balanced between imperialism and the masses. Our tactic is to fight for the organising and arming of the masses independent of the political parties and militias that are part of the Chavez state machine.

In Bolivia, the oil companies have ripped out the gas and oil leaving the workers and peasants starving. In the struggle to renationalise the oil and gas, workers and peasants have gone a long way to reject the reformist politicians (like Labour in NZ) but are being held back because the more 'left' bureaucrats (Castroists, Stalinists and former Trotskyists) who are effectively still promoting illusions in parliament itself (but of course with a 'left' populist, 'democratic' government in power).

Our position in Bolivia is to call for an active boycott of the Parliamentary elections in December. This is because a revolutionary uprising as recently as May formed a soviet organisation in El Alto (next to La Paz) and this revolutionary wave is capable of rising again, breaking from the treacherous union leaders, and the reformists (Evo Morales main leader of the peasants) and taking power.

This illustrates what we say in the article above, that workers will not break from parliament unless they put forward serious demands on the reformists and treacherous 'socialists' that expose their role as agents of the bosses, and at the same time are able to mobilise their independent organs of class power, soviets and militias, to take power.

Marxists who have an understanding of global situation, the situation in any given country, and the balance of class forces, are in a better position to judge what tactics are necessary. Right now, in Aotearoa Labour has been able to benefit from the strong economic growth to redistribute some income in a way that is still attractive to most workers. There is no revived union movement capable yet of putting up a program of transitional demands on Labour. While this is the case, so-called revolutionaries and anti-capitalists who reject the tactic of critical support, are acting in an ultra left and sectarian way, leaving these workers at the mercy of the class enemy.
 

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It seems to me that the bulk of this analysis is based in an FPP world where the only significant outcome of an election is which party holds a large enough majority to be the government. We (revolutionists) know that the very structure of the state prevents even the most internally democratic party organisation from achieving a free and just society in the long term through wielding parliamentary power. But even a brief look at the business of parliament over the last couple of terms reveals that each party and indeed each *person* in parliament can have an impact on its outcomes - eg the Muslim Labour MP that supported the civil union bill or United Future's abililty to block drug law reform (which would chip away at police powers and therefore the state's ability to suppress dissent) with only a small block of seats. The evidence suggests that under MMP giving a greater proportion of seats to left-leaning parties makes it harder for right wing agendas (whether economic or social - they both matter because they affect people's daily lives) to be imposed through state power without challenge.

Let's keep in mind that we are not faced with an either/or choice between a) casting a vote and remaining passive for the next 3 years or b) not voting and spending that time organising. We can do both and if we are clever the two can complement each other. This is why I would not vote for the ACA - to achieve reformist aims choose a reformist not a revolutionary. I would happily work ACA or Alliance groups and activists in extra-parliamentary campaigns and organisations - but a vote for the ACA or the Alliance is a protest vote that I can be fairly sure will have no impact on the makeup of the next parliament. If I vote for the Greens and encourage others to do so I might increase the leverage they have to continue dragging Labour leftward within parliament. Considering this I think advocating strategic voting is one tactic that anticapitalists can use to defend our basic freedoms and rights from the authoritarians in parliament and win small victories that make people's lives better *now*.

The same argument about exposing the limits of Labour's ability to make positive change within the parliamentary system can be applied to the Greens or other parties whose policies are genuinely left-leaning and what's more many of the Greens would probably agree with them. I suspect the Greens lack of mass support from kiwi workers is because their policy platform is as far left of most of the population as it is of Labour. If those workers are drawn into active struggles and their perspective shifts leftward they are likely to shift their voting support from Labour to the Greens. Issues like GE, Iraq and the 5% campaign could potentially act like wedges splitting sections of the population away from Labour if the Greens strongly contrast their position from Labour's.

In theory both Labour and the Greens are also vulnerable to losing the votes of more socially conservative workers to populist minority parties like NZFirst, United Future and the Maori Party over single issues like binding referenda, foreshore and seabed, drug law reform and immigration or more general concerns about 'social engineering' and 'family values' being whipped up by theocrats like Destiny Church, the Maxim Institute and Investigate magazine.

However comparing the results from the last election (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election_2002) to current polls (www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3388000a6220,00.html) suggests to me that Labour and the Greens support have stayed fairly firm while the National seem to have sucked up ACT, United Future and a large chunk of NZFirst support - ie conservative workers are tending towards voting as a block against Labour. Going on those poll figures National/ NZFirst/United together would have 58 with Labour/Progressive/Greens with 62 seats each.

For the record I am picking the latter to be the next coalition government. The important questions for radicals and revolutionists are a) what can we do to pressure parliament to implement policies that promote freedom and justice b) what can we do to create working systems of democratic social decision-making that we can offer as alternatives to parliamentary representation come the next election.
 

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Scott:

I guess my position to anyone intending to vote is to get them to acknowledge how little will be gained and try and get them to raise their expectations of politics by discussing alternatives. Anonouncing I'm going to vote Labour(or whoever) puts me in a very weak position to do that. In the longer term, empowering people by engaging in effective anti-parliamentary methods of politics will make alternmatives cleareer and more attractive.

One of the problems in NZ in recent years has been the tendency of activists to move into parliamentary or elitist advocacy work (lobbying, media stunt activism, etc) which is inherently disempowering of ordinary people. Consequently there's few alternatives to point to, especially for younger people who don't remember the activist successes of ten or twenty years ago.

Strypey said: " strategic voting is one tactic that anticapitalists can use to defend our basic freedoms and rights from the authoritarians in parliament"

Actually all the parties in parliament are authoritarians. I suppose it would be possible for somebody to go into parliament with the exprerss intention to dismantle as many laws as possible, but I haven't seen that happen yet and I'm not sure that would be a sensible position in a capitalist environment anyway.

Strypey's position seems to assume there's a simple left-right axis to move people along and that the Greens are the furtherest along it. Actually the Greens don't know where they are, they began as an environmental party, abandoned that for the concept of a "rainbow left" coalition, and seem to have ended up as populist social democratic party with a neo-liberal green overlay. Having said that, I described a Green party activist as a social democrat a while back and he took it as an insult, which it wasn't meant to be. The Greens are all over the place, many don't understand basic political history and some consider themselves to be above it, erroneously believing themselves to be a whole new way of thinking (pretty easy to think if you don't know any history). As a consequence, they'll oppose free trade agreements, back a free trade in carbon emmissions rights, call for less income disparity and demand cars be made more expensive so poor people don't pollute.

The Greens a a pretty good example of the knots you get into when you try and solve the world's problems without taking an anti-capitalist stance and try and deny the crucial reality of class divisions. God knows what they'd get up to in power - so far they seem to be re-defining themselves again, this time as a Labour Party support group.

Commie said: "Sam also seems to missed the point... about distinguishing between supporting Labour as the 'lesser evil' and 'critical support'."

Nope, isn't this exactly what I said? The bit about it being "quite a different attitude".
 

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