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The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Act Vice President Trevor Loudon has been challenged over his murky past on Christchurch's extreme right.

Loudon is a member of a far right cult know as ZAP (Zenith Applied Philosophy). A New Zealand Herald article from 1983 states that Loudons cult was linked with neo-Nazi groups, links the Act Party deputy leader denies.
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A while ago, Trevor Loudon, ACT Vice President and member of the Zenith Applied Philosophy cult, said the following on his blog in response to a question from possible Green party future co-leader Russel Norman.

Russel; Were you aware of the association between ZAP and the fascist Nationalist Workers Party?

Trevor; No Russel and neither are you. There never have been any such links. I am willing to bet my membership and position in ACT against your membership and position in the Green Party, that you have no credible proof of such allegations.

At the time, I mentioned a newspaper article that proved the links between ZAP and Kerry Bolton's fascist party. Trevor continued to deny all links. Unfortunately, I couldn't scan and post the article as it was packed somewhere in a box. I've got it again now though, and while I don't have a scanner, I thought I would reproduce it in full below. The article is from the New Zealand Herald, 20/06/1983 (page 2).

NAZIS, ZAP AND TRIM OUT

One of New Zealand's small but active ultra-conservative groups has expelled "nazi elements" and other extreme right-wingers in an attempt to improve it's image.

The group, New Force, has also expelled sympathisers of two Christchurch-based organisations, Zenith Applied Philosophy and Trim, the Tax Reduction Integrity Movement.

The national director of New Force, Mr B.W. Zandbergen, said last night that youths from the New Zealand Nazi Party had attached themselves to New Force, giving his organisation a bad name.

As well, sympathisers of Zap and Trim had threatened to defect to the proposed new party of Wellington businessman Mr Robert Jones, unless New Force swung behind their free-market, laissez faire philosophies.

Wrong Idea

"These people (Zap, Trim and the Nazi youths) have got the wrong idea of what New Force was about." Mr Zandbergen said in Wellington.

"It was useless to argue with them, so we have cut our ties."

Mr Zandbergen said New Force in future would be known as the Nationalist Workers Party, in order to identify it more readily as a party devoted to being an alternative to "world communism and world capitalism".

New Force, one of about a dozen groups active on the far right wing of New Zealand politics, was founded about 1980 after earlier unsuccessful attempts to form a local version of the British National Front.

One of its founders, Mr Kerry Bolton, of Wellington, who is now chairman of the New Force directorate, in December 1980 formed a New Zealand branch of what is known as the Church of Odin.

A paper published by Mr Bolton, seeking members of the Church of Odin, was strongly anti-semitic, preached white supremacy and had the catchline "Odinism: The white man's religion".

Mr Zandbergen stood for Parliament for New Force in Western Hutt in 1981, on a platform which included repatriation of Pacific Islanders. He got 30 votes.

Last night, Mr Zandbergen said he hoped the expulsion of extreme right elements would help to make New Force more respectable.

"When Bob Jones first announced the possibility of establishing a free enterprise party, this faction threatened to break with New Force, in favour of Jones, unless New Force made a committment to the free-market philosophy." he said.

Bob Jones

"These elements have been identified and expelled. Bob Jones is welcome to them."

Mr Jones was astonished last night when told of the comments made by Mr Zandbergen.

"I have had letters from these people (Trim and Zap) from time to time, but I don't know anything much about them." he said.

Mr Jones said his proposed party would not be right-wing. It would follow the principles on which the National Party was founded. He considered himself a liberal and did not support a laissaz faire system.

"They ought to read what I have been saying about politics before they bring me into it."

So, Trev, there's the link proven. You are part of a cult that was too nutty for even Kerry Bolton, New Zealand's longest running Nazi nutter!

I eagerly await news of your resignation.

View the comments on this post here:
anarchia.wordpress.com/2006/05/10/act-vice-president-to-quit/

For Loudon's response see:
www.newzeal.blogspot.com
 
 
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Re: Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

Trevor Loudon should come clean and admit that he is a crazy CULT (ZAP)member where TAX FRAUD on massive scale was a way of life
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Um, wtf is this doing as a feature?
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Exactly, why put this crap on Indymedia
 

Loudon: Marxist UN wants world police state

From the discussion thread under Loudon's non-response to anarchia:

'I am a conspiratorialist in that I believe events tend to happen more by design rather than chance. My 20 years of research on the left, including interviewing several former Marxist-Leninists have left me in little doubt that that is the way they work.

If one believes in the conspiratorial theory of history, logic tells one that one conspiracy must be bigger than the others.

The biggest "conspiracy" on the planet in my opinion is the UN. That organisation is the biggest threat to my freedom that I can see. Now it wants to levy taxes and raise a standing army.

Is it run by blood drinking secret society satanists, or merely by Marxists, socialists and synchophants? I have seen more credible evidence for the latter than the former. I suspect the latter.

I'm not being evasive sonic. I simply don't know how organised the centralisation of global power is. I only know that it is unfortunately happening.

I deal with those threats to our freedom that I understand well, the Marxists, their cousins the Radical Islamists and the garden variety syncophantic, power hungry bureacrat.

Regardless of whether freedom diminishes by accident or design, the results are similar.

The solutions are also the same-decentralisation of power at every level, lower taxes, less bureacracy, educational choice, more individual sovereignty, the slashing of state power over the individual and strong constitutional safeguards.

So to answer your question sonic, I do believe in conspiracies, but only those I can document, or understand.

The rest I keep an open mind on.'
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

yeah your right. why would indymedia be involved in the promotion of anti-fascism? Its a crazy world isnt it?
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

Yes Trev Loudon is a nut case. He really shows how much of a joke the ACT Party is.
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

What I find bizarre is that he's still prepared to defend fascist literature that ZAP distributed back in the 80s, like 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy', and the way his Act buddies back him up, at least in public. But maybe I'm just naive?
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

If you study Marx' Communist Manifesto you will find that in essence Marx said the proletarian revolution would establish the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat. To achieve the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat, three things would have to be accomplished: (I) The elimination of all right to private property; (2) The dissolution of the familv unit; and (3) Destruction of what Marx referred to as the "opiate of the people," religion.
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

Marx went on to state that when the dictatorship of the proletariat had accomplished these three things throughout the world, and after some undetermined length of time (as you can imagine, he was very vague on this point), the all powerful state' would miraculously wither away and state socialism would give way to Communism. You wouldn't need any government at all. Everything would be peace, sweetness and light and everybody would live happily ever after. But first, all Communists must work to establish SOCIALISM.

Can't you just see Karl Marx really believing that an omnipotent state would wither away? Or can you imagine that a Joseph Stalin (or any other man with the cunning' and ruthlessness necessary to rise to the top of the heap in. an all-powerful dictatorship) would voluntarily dismantle the power he had built by fear and terror?'*
 

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Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

Socialism would be the bait … the excuse to establish the dictatorship. Since dictatorship is hard to sell in idealistic terms, the idea had to be added that the dictatorship was just a temporary necessity and would soon dissolve of its own accord. You really have to be naive to swallow that, but millions do?
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

We are told that on the far Left of the political spectrum we find Communism, which is admittedly dictatorial. But, we are also told that equally to be feared is the opposite of the far Left, i.e., the far Right, which is labeled Fascism. We are constantly told that we should all try to stay m the middle of the road, which is termed democracy, but by which the Establishment means Fabian (or creeping) socialism. (The fact that the middle of the road has been moving. inexorably leftward for forty years is ignored.) Here is an excellent example of the use of false alternatives. We are given the choice between Communism (international socialism) on one end of the spectrum Naziism (national socialism) on the other end, or Fabian socialism in the middle. The whole spectrum is socialist!

This is absurd. Where would you put an anarchist on this spectrum? Where do you put a person who believes in a Constitutional Republic and the free enterprise system? He is not represented here, yet this spectrum is used for political definitions by a probable ninety percent of the people of the nation.
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

Marx/Gary Allen - Are you trying to accuse me, the author of the post (although I wasn't the person who put it on Indymedia), of being a Marxist? Because I'm not, I'm an anarchist.

I'll be writing a reply to Trev's pathetic denial on my blog sometime in the near future, when I haven't got better things to do (like just about anything...) with my time.

Oh, and Trev, email me when you're ready to send the sleeping bag you owe me :)
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

I always think its cute to hear the term "Fabian socialism", sort of makes me feel warm and fuzzy and reminds me of carpet slippers, coal deliveries, Rupert Bear and Orwell's "deep, deep sleep of England".
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

The Fabians were actually supporters of imperialism, nothing cute, warm or fuzzy about that.
 

Re: Heat goes on Act vice President over ZAP cult's links to fascism

Haven't you heard, Don? According to Sam imperialism can be progressive when it takes on particularly backward places like Indonesia. Tssk tssk. You're such a dogmatic out of touch Marxist!

Good post on Fabian imperialism, which is definitely back in fashion amongst the kind of leftists who supported the interventions in East Timore, Kosovo etc, here on Snowball's blog:
histomatist.blogspot.com/2006/04/euston-we-have-problem.html
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Thanks Scott, I hadn't heard.
Fabianism has been bad news back home for New Zealand workers since last century.
In 1891, the Liberal Party won office on promises of land and labour reforms. William Pember Reeves was Minister of Labour - the first Minister of Labour in New Zealand – and the British Empire.
Reeves named his son Fabian, after the British Fabian ‘socialists’. The Fabians were reformist pro imperialist intellectuals hostile to revolution and workers independent action. The Fabian legacy was to cast a long shadow over New Zealand industrial relations.
Reeves’ Industrial 1894 Conciliation and Arbitration Act introduced compulsory arbitration in industrial disputes - probably the first such
provision in the world.
The IC& A act was summarised by historian Keith Sinclair as "encouraging trade unionism and preventing strikes."
Reeves introduced several reforms, often more substantial than any Labour offerings today. Over considerable bosses opposition Reeves government produced the Shops and Shop-assistants Act 1894, closing almost all shops from midday on Saturday until Monday morning.
But the Liberals policy had two sides to it. It brought in legislation to outlaw the worst excesses of capitalist dictatorship in factories, mines, ships and offices. It also sought to moderate the class struggle by involving the state as arbiter over wages and conditions of work. That culture has prevailed ever since and has reached a plateau with the colaborationist relationship between the CTU and the Labour government. We're currently saddled with increasing economic social division and industrial laws that legislate imprisonment for almost any kind of strike action.
All socialists and anarchists should be on the case untill that's wiped off the slate.
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Actually Asher I was looking for the evidence for Scott's claim that Gary Allen's book 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' was "fascist literature" and those quotes jumped out at me. Little wonder that a socialist like Scott would be threatened by Gary's analysis but if criticising socialism/ communism makes someone a fascist then anarchists must be fascists too.

BTW Asher where would you place yourself on the tradition left/ right political spectrum Allen describes?
 

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I think traditional left-right spectrums are bullshit, so I wouldn't place myself anywhere.
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Fuck I love it when I see gaybo used as an insult on indymedia, why not call Asher a bitch or a nigger well you're at it?
I can't vouch for his imagination or lack thereof, but surely when writing about fact, imagination has little importance?
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

hmmm almost impossible to follow this thread. It would be easier if the Indymedia collective deleted ALL posts and instead of the interesting ones!

Bah!, the editorial policy needs some work...
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Just to clarify - I had nothing to do with this article becoming a feature, despite writing it. Another editor nominated it and other editors voted for it - I abstained due to a potential conflict of interest :)
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

"Haven't you heard, Don? According to Sam imperialism can be progressive when it takes on particularly backward places like Indonesia. Tssk tssk."

You're making this shit up Scott. Stop being a complete arse.
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Huh? Check the Solomons thread...

'You seem to ignore the wholesale brutality of the Indonesian invasion of occupation of East Timor - it wasn't "imperialist" so can't be as bad as an "imperialist" occupation. This is plain daft and only supported by a blinkered world view.'
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Sorry for spilling over on to this thread. I've answered this on this thread:

indymedia.org.nz/feature/display/44960/index.php
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Sorry, I meant "dated, old-fashioned middle Englandness of the term". Using a name derived from a Roman general of the Punic wars being a case in point. It's the sort of thing an Oxford don would think was clever and snappy. These days it seems to be mostly used by right-wingers suffering nostalgia for the cold war.
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

I see.
I think the Fabians have had more than a fair go in terms of favourable image. Under the earnest liberal gentility they were an effective network operating to spread and prettify the reactionary practice of reform from above. Above all the Fabians were against workers self activity or initiative and their legacy lingers in union circles today. Except now we get even fewer of the paternalistic reforms.
 

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''Above all the Fabians were against workers self activity or initiative and their legacy lingers in union circles today'' like marxists wernt...
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Both liberating and reactionary politics have been practiced by the millions of those humans in history calling themselves 'marxists'. I would submit that the practice of every other ism and ocracy displays some degree inconsistency.
As a distinct political current, the Fabians were an essentially reactionary force, beneath a liberal intellectual veneer.
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Why has this Trev geezer's face been censored? Is it too obscene?
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Come on Scott, you always seem to think you have a defence for the slanders you casually hurl around. Let's see some evidence for your claim that Gary Allen's book is 'fascist literature'?
 

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Oh, come on Don, I expect Scott to make up things about me, but please don't join him in the league of exponents of the wild extrapolation.

I didn't say there was anything good about Fabian socialism, it's just the dated, old-fashioned middle England of the TERM, that I was poking fun at.
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Sid Wilson of the NF is also a big believer in the role of the Fabians as an influence on contemporary politics. From his paranoid perspective the fact they hardly exist any more is not an indication of failure on the Fabians part but obviously a sign they are working surreptitiously and are craftier than anyone imagined. The conspiracy view is wonderfully impervious to the inconveniences of the real world. Loudon and Wilson really are a couple of sad fellows.

As for Rupert Bear as a symbol of cozy middle England, I think there is some truth to that in many of the values espoused through his adventures. In contemporary terms I can't help thinking how his personal appearance takes on a different spin. He is white, wears bover boots and looks like a skinhead. Fortunately he hangs out with a Chinese girl and has chums from other species. Phew, thank goodness for that!
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

This is a very funny memo from Rodney Hide (parody) http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2006/05/rodney-hide-memo.html
 

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I don't mean to pour cold water on your investigative efforts Asher but much as a detest his views Loudon is quite right that a Herald article quoting a known nazi having "cut ties" with "sympathisers of two Christchurch-based organisations, Zenith Applied Philosophy and Trim, the Tax Reduction Integrity Movement." is hardly proof that Loudon associates with fascists. The article names no names and the use of the word 'sympathiser' implies they were involved in New Force as individuals rather than representing ZAP or TRIM.

I'm sure people on the 'right' have the same illusions about being the same 'side' of the "traditional left-right spectrums... bullshit" as do those on the 'left'. It's the only explanation I can think of for economically globalist and socially liberal activists trying to find common cause with economically nationalist and socially conservative ones.
 

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BTW Scott, how is that nice hot cup of 'shut-the-fuck-up' tasting? It's all very well throwing allegations and slander around but it's not as much fun when someone calls you on it and you have no evidence is it?
 

Re: The Act Vice President and the Fascists

Scott put it well on my blog, Marx, so I'll just copy/paste it.

"Anyone wo reads Spoonely’s account of the far right scene in Chch in the 70s and 80s and the rise of ZAP and its front group TRIM can see that the organisations were completely centralised, based as they were on the authority of the bizarre John Dahlhorf, who was known to his disciples as John Ultimate. Spoonely quotes several primary documents, including a letter from Ultimate to his folowers, which make his absolute authority clear (in the letter he talks of reading group members’ minds in his dreams).

The notion that a significant number of members of a tiny, close-knit, centralised froup like ZAP were involved in New Force/the NWP without the say-so of Ultimate is not credible."
 

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My reply to Trevor's half arsed effort is up at anarchia.wordpress.com/2006/05/24/trevor-loudon-once-a-nutter-always-a-nutter/

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5.24.06
Trevor Loudon - Once a nutter, always a nutter

Posted in Aotearoa/NZ Politics, Anti-Fascism at 5:09 pm by Asher

So, my previous post on Trevor Loudon, ACT's vice-president, generated a hell of a lot of comments on this blog. You should at least read the initial post before this one, but reading the comments, Trevor's half-arsed reply and maybe even the feature on Aotearoa Indymedia in order to see where this story is at.

Trevor offers a few answers. I'll go through them here.

"One is that the claim of ties and expulsion is a total fabrication on the part of the author/authors, or Mr Zandbergen."

He manages to extrapolate this sentance into two more or less identical possibilities - ie, either the NZ Herald or New Force were lying when they talked about ZAP (and their front group TRIM)'s ties to New Force.

As mentioned numerous times in comments on both blogs, Paul Spoonley (a sociologist at Massey University) published a book called The Politics of Nostalgia on fascism/racism in Aotearoa/New Zealand. This book talks at length about ZAP and it's ties to the fascist extreme right in Christchurch (where ZAP was founded). Combine that with the NZ Herald article, and I think you can clearly see that ZAP and New Force had links of some sort.

Trev then goes on, trying to find more excuses - first, maybe New Force, as a pseudo political party, recieved a letter from TRIM or maybe it was even personal correspondance from a member of ZAP/TRIM. These explanations are simply too stupid to even bother refuting - even fascists know the difference between membership/support and a personal letter or lobbying propaganda.

Next, Trevor attempts to compare ZAP to the Catholic Church (talk about ego!) and states that just as 1 or 2 rogue Catholics can't be taken to represent the Church, neither can 1 or 2 rogue fascists be taken to represent ZAP.

A commenter on this blog, Scott, put it well when he stated

"Anyone who reads Spoonely’s account of the far right scene in Chch in the 70s and 80s and the rise of ZAP and its front group TRIM can see that the organisations were completely centralised, based as they were on the authority of the bizarre John Dahlhorf, who was known to his disciples as John Ultimate. Spoonely quotes several primary documents, including a letter from Ultimate to his folowers, which make his absolute authority clear (in the letter he talks of reading group members’ minds in his dreams).

The notion that a significant number of members of a tiny, close-knit, centralised froup like ZAP were involved in New Force/the NWP without the say-so of Ultimate is not credible."
 

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Asher, I have read both Loudon's and your blog entries and the strings of often infantile and petty comments on the issue by the likes of Clint and Whig and a number of anons. You may have passed the test of habeus corpus (if Spoonley is indeed reliable) but you still havn't explained why you think economically globalist and socially liberal activists like ZAP/TRIM would be trying to find common cause with economically nationalist and socially conservative ones like New Force and the various heads of the Nazi hydra.

So basically what are you tring to say? Why don't I see you taking Don Franks to task for the NZCP's support of Stalin's regime? Or taking fellow anarchists to task for the assasination of Ferdinand and the resulting world war? Guilt by association is a weak way to build a political argument or to reveal the *many* inherent faults in neoliberal ideology and policy.

As for None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Radio Chomsky has played a number of talks by conspiracy theorists who are against the New World Order. Does that make them fascist sympathisers because those ideas are also used and abused by 'classic anti-semitic conspiracy theory'? Does that make anarchists Bolsheviks because the bolshies used some of the same rhetoric as the anarchists? Again, guilt by association is weak analysis.

Besides Louden says the book is outdated and that distributing it was a youthful mistake. Just like Don admitted that supporting the regime in Albania probably wasn't that wise on another thread some time ago. Why not get over it and focus on pulling some of the many substantial loose threads in ACT politics and see if you can't unravel the whole jumper?
 

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Might be coming accross as pedantic here, but just one minor point...anarchists had nothing to do with the assasination of Ferdinand and the consequent World War, this was the work of Serbian nationalists.
 

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If you can show that Noam Chomsky draws on outlandish claims used exclusively by anti-semites and fascists then we'll get stuck into him, too.

But there is no doubt that key claims in 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' are used exclusively by fascists and anti-semites, and have no currency at all in the discourse of real historians of left or right. Only fascist nutters claim that a few mostly Jewish bankers were responsible for the success of the Bolshevik revolution. Only post-war Anglophile fascists claim that Jewish bankers like the Warburgs financed the rise of Hitler. Only fascist nutters talk of gangs of 'kabbalists' and blood libels.

It would be good if Loudon disowned ZAP and its attempts to distribute 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy', as well as its ties in the 1980s with fascist groups like the Nationalist Workers Party and the League of Rights.

But even if Loudon did this the fact would remain that the method he uses today is completely indebted to fascism and anti-semitism. Anyone who vists his blog will immediately see that its author is held captive by a paranoid conspiracy theory of history which posits a global alliance between some mythical monolithic Marxism and a similarly monolithic Islamism.

Loudon hasn't learnt anything over the years - he's simply replaced Jews with Muslims in his conspiracy theory of history. That's why it is not at all irrelevant to point to the role of ZAP and anti-semitic tracts like 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' in the formation of his ideas.
 

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As it happens Chomsky is regularly accused of anti-semitism for criticising the state of Israel. In fact palestinian solidarity literature often makes claims about Jewish influence over the US media and federal government. Since I presume these are parts of 'classic anti-semitic conspiracy theory' does that make the palestinian solidarity movement anti-semites?

There are lots of unanswered questions about why the Russian revolution turned out the way it did if it was supposedly based on Marxist ideas. Anarchists have an analysis, leninist, trotskyist and maoist groups all have different versions. Is an analysis based on the Bolsheviks being a counter-revolutionary force working in collusion the corporate power behind capitalist goverments really so far-fetched? Is it far-fetched to claim that the 'communist' regime running China are in collusion with corporate money-men (and/or women) in capitalist countries?

Even if it is I think you're drawing a long bow saying that having such an analysis makes you a fascist.
 

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I've written articles criticising Israel, but I didn't use Nazi publicatiosn as my sources. If I had I would deserve to be attacked.

There is no debate amongst historians about a cabal of mostly Jewish bankers being responsible for the Russian revolution. Historians differ over interpretations, not basic facts. The idea that a cabal of mostly Jewish bankers were being 1917 is about as credible as the notion that Jews were behind September the 11th. Anyone who comes out with such a theory has to use anti-semitic sources, because anti-semites are the only people with a motivation to so willfully deny the most obvious facts.
 

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Leaving the "Is anti-zionism anti-semitic?" argument aside, Marx , would you care to elaborate on the "many substaantial loose threads in ACT politics?
 

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"Marx" asked
"you still havn't explained why you think economically globalist and socially liberal activists like ZAP/TRIM would be trying to find common cause with economically nationalist and socially conservative ones like New Force and the various heads of the Nazi hydra".

The answer is that in the 70s and 80s (before Rogernomics came along and made it respectable), ultra free market capitalism was regarded as a fantasy for far right loonies. There was a big far right scene in christchurch at that time ranging from ZAP and TRIM through to to authoritarian fascists, and the one thing they had in common was they saw communist conspiracies behind just about everything. They had no other freinds.

ZAP had to hang out with anti semites and fascists, because everyone else thought they were barking mad.

In the late 80s and early 90s, when Rogernomics made free market capitalism respectable and then ACT formed, most of the ZAP types, including Trevor Loudon, attached themselves to ACT and the Liberatarianz (Lindsey perigos free radical magazine etc). They didnt need to hang out with fascists anymore, because they could blend in with the crazier end of the free market fanatic scene. Trevor Loudon wrote an interesting article in an early Free Radical mag, describing his shift from authoritarian right to "libertarian" right. The fact that he didnt have to drop his paranoid conspiracy theories about communists everywhere made it a hell of a lot easier.

Meanwhile the part of the far right that was also anti capitalist (meaning the fascists) went into hibernation and have mostly faded away. The remnants of them are the old farts behind the scenes in the National Front and its various splits. They won't acheive anything except beating up a few immigrants before fading away totally with any luck.

ZAP is still around and most of them are christchurch based, middle aged now, and pretty much invisible. David Henderson is one (mate of Trevors, wrote a book about the IRD), another one was on the Chch City council a few years ago.
ZAP was one of the main networks of all the far right fruitloops in chch, and still is. The difference now is that instead of ranting and raving on street corners dressed in their undies, they are now 'respecable' business men and women who run for council, own property, and work for ACT etc. But they are still nutty as hell
 

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"There is no debate amongst historians about a cabal of mostly Jewish bankers being responsible for the Russian revolution."

?????
 

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So libertarianz are like fascists because they blame the global monopolisation of power on communists instead of capitalists. Ah ok. It all makes sense now.
 

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"Marx , would you care to elaborate on the "many substaantial loose threads in ACT politics?"

With pleasure Grant. ACT is a party of libertarian individualists. They believe property rights rather than human rights are the basis for a just and decent society. They believe in the decentralisation of power through individual ownership of property but insist on the centralisation of power in the form of a state (cops, courts, prisons and failing all else military) to protect that property ownership.

They are rigidly opposed to internationalism in the form of the UN or global labour or environmental agreements but passionately advocate globalisation in the form of the WTO and trade agreements. They dismiss arguments against globalisation as nationalism while dismissing arguements against the state as advocating 'might is right' and mob rule.

They preach individual freedom but will not take a principled stand on issues like drug prohibition presumably in case it costs them votes. Which is the equivalent of the Greens not talking about organics, climate change or peak oil in case it cost them votes. They decry the initiation of force then support the invasion of Iraq. They decry theft but still suppor the invasion as the US forces destroy infrastructure and then hire their own companies to come out and rebuild them at Iraqi people's expense.

I could go on but I think you get the point. They are hyprocritical at every turn and their arguments generally hinge on thinly veiled personal abuse, name-calling (Perigo is classic for this eg Jeanette FitzSimpleSimon), inuendo, guilt by association and evading the issue and changing the subject when you catch them out.

It's questionable whether arguing with any of them could ever change their beliefs but it is a great way to sharpen your arguments for arguing with less zealous people who absorb and regurgitate libertarianz-style arguements they've heard on talkback.
 

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Anyone know if this guy is a ZAPper? Mr G?

From the Press:

Street fundraiser is a millionaire

SATURDAY , 27 MAY 2006

By MARTIN VAN BEYNEN
A professional Christchurch fundraiser whom donors often mistake for a volunteer paraplegic is a property millionaire.
The Press last week revealed former ACT Party candidate John Peters, who sells $20 pens for Wheelchair Tennis New Zealand around the South Island, gave only $5 of each sale to Wheelchair Tennis.

In a full and frank interview Peters also admitted the pens did not have a Parker refill as he sometimes claimed and that the way he sat when selling was partly designed to make people believe he was a paraplegic.

Further inquiries this week reveal Peters and his wife Elaina own 12 rental flats or houses in Christchurch. They also own their own home in Avonhead and three $200,000 sections in Halswell and North Shore, on which houses are being built. The properties will be kept as rentals.

Peters is the director of five companies and his wife also has her own company.

Peters, in another frank interview, told The Press yesterday he was rich in assets but poor in cash.

His equity in the properties was between $1 million and $1.5m, he said.

"Not bad for someone on a fairly modest income. I've put everything into the properties," he said.

Asked why he could not afford to give Wheelchair Tennis more of the proceeds of his pen sales given his own financial position, he said: "I'm probably making about $20 to $25 an hour. Any less than that wouldn't give you the motivation to go out on a cold day like it is in Dunedin every time I go out."

This week he was selling pens in Dunedin and several people had tried to dissuade others from buying the pens.

One man had taken photocopies of The Press story and had handed them to passers-by.

"I just said to him `look, the more pens I sell the more money Wheelchair Tennis gets'," he said. "People feel a bit misled. I just want to find a way where everyone's happier," he said.

He said he had bought his first property at 16 – "that gave me a head start' '– and had slowly built up his empire. One of his passions was Monopoly.

Cheryl Moffat, the chairwoman of the Fundraising Institute of New Zealand, Southern Division, said the Peters selling method raised difficult issues.

"There are no rules about how much should go to a charity. But people would expect that the majority of money they are giving goes to the cause they are giving it for," she said.

"As a professional fundraiser I shouldn't get an organisation involved in things that are not getting them a fair return," she said.

It was not regarded as unethical to fail to disclose upfront what percentage of the donated money would end up at the charity, "but if anybody asked I would tell them".

"You need to be open and honest and tell people whether you are a professional fundraiser or a volunteer," she said.

Peters was not a member of the organisation.

Wheelchair Tennis organiser Sue Quirk said Peters' involvement with Wheelchair Tennis would be discussed on Monday.
 

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Hi Trev
seen any more Aliens at the back of Christchurch airport?
What about a container load of Russians coming to take over NZ ?
 

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Now now Trev please come clean on your 30 year Delusion re Fat Boy
 

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Hey Vice Presidentee waz up get help you poor bastard
 

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'Marx's most recent comment brings out the difference between the politics of groups like ZAP and the politics of Act's MPs. The ZAPatistas are *petty* bourgeois right-wing radicals - that means they fear both socialism *and* big business, banks, and other international financial institutions. Conspiracy theories about global finance - theories which draw on classical anti-Semitism - are popular with
these types because they allow them to connect international finance and socialism, albeit in a nutty way.

This right-wing petty bourgeois radical tendency runs through NZ politics from Social Credit and its still-active fascist breakaway and longtime ZAP ally the League of Rights to the Country Party to groups like ZAP. The radical petty bourgeois tendency has always existed in Act, but is becoming more prominent now that the party is in decline, and has lost most if its corporate support and many of its more clued-up activists to National. Foot soldiers like Loudon are in a better position to make grabs for leadership positions in the party. I'm sure Act's liberal parliamentary leadership, whose thinking represents that of the *big* bourgeoisie and is entirely reconciled to globalisation, was horrified that Loudon was able to win the post of vp.

The neo-nazis like the National Front have a different social base - the lumpen proletariat, basically - and a radically different attitude to the state than the radical petty bourgeois groups.
They revere the state and want centalisation, not decentralisation and cost-cutting. Paul Spoonley explains that this different attitude toward the state was a reason for the ZAP
falling out with the likes of Kerry Bolton.
 

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It really pisses me off to read about this guy. I have a friend who is paraplegic and involved with NZ Wheelchair Tennis. They have to work so hard to raise funds for just about everything they do. It makes it incredibly harder to do that when creeps like that are out and about! AAAAAAAAgggggggghhhh!!!!!!!
 

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I basically agree with Scott's comments on the differences between libertarianism and fascism. However I would take issue with his smearing of Social Credit.

"This right-wing petty bourgeois radical tendency runs through NZ politics from Social Credit and its still-active fascist breakaway and longtime ZAP ally the League of Rights"

After renaming themselves 'the Democrats' they were one of the parties that along with Anderton's New Labour, the Greens (formerly Values) and others formed the Alliance, NZ's largest left-liberal party when both Labour and National were shot through with neoliberals.

Social Credit's economic theory is similiar to that of left-liberal groups who advocate 'universal basic income' and 'Toban tax' systems. Basically it observes that compound interest creates more debt in the economy than there is money to pay it. In any economic system that allows institutions like banks to be userers (whether Jewish or not is irrelevant) and makes the operations of businesses and households dependent on loans from there, there will inevitably be an exponential growth of debt relative to cash resulting in spiralling inflation and the inevitable boom and bust cycle of capitalism.

To dismiss a detailed understanding of the global and local functioning of the capitalist economy and research into the history of its key players as 'right wing', 'anti-semitic' or 'paranoid conspiracy' is unwise. Concealing this understanding from the oppressed is a critical part of keeping capitalism functioning.
 

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Besides which plenty of nasty, imperialist power-play has been carried out through regimes that called themselves 'socialist'. To deny this is to deny history and erodes your credibility. Is it really so far-fetched to speculate that there may be parallels or even connections between those regimes and the power-players behind the capitalist regimes (most of which are as far from the original ideals of 'capitalism' and modern China is from 'socialism')? Is it far-fetched to posit connections between the 'capitalist' powers and the current 'communist' regime in China?

Presumably though your denial in this area is related to your denial of the betrayals and massacres of revolutionary communists by Bolsheviks like Lenin and Trotsky well before the now-accepted mass murders orchestrated by Stalin?
 

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Marx, I take it then that like your ancestor Karl, you are NOT a Marxist?
 

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Trevor Loudon (uneducated yobbo who'd believe anything)and the Cult Queen (Joy Dalhoff who can be foung hiding in a penthouse on the top floor of the Milenium Hotel ChCh square)are really Scientology clones/victims disguised as well meaning Zappers.Since Cult King (Fat Boy)Dalhoff kicked the bucket due to Obesity/Small Bowel Infarction with Septicaemia not all is lost.It seems the paranoid delusional disease continues in the form of no communication with ex zappers who have done their homework and know better.
e.g. A/Fatboy never did attend Massey (where he claimed to be of hero status)as he falsely claimed.
B/Two Zap students he declared to be aliens were infact normal people
C/His claim of absorbing the shock of a Wellington earthquake to prevent soviets from exiting their containers to taker over NZ is patently mad
D/There never were any aliens on the roadside behind ChCh airport
E/Despite Fatboys ultimate (prick) status his forecast re Y2K was wrong
More to come stay tuned
 

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Hes a tryer old loudon. Sees a red devil in every left turning shadow. Conspiracy nutcase for sure.
 

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