thank you,you compassionate brave people

"all the hens were debeaked......"

The birds in the photos have got beaks. Did you glue the beaks back on for cosmetic reasons before you took the photos?

Yeah bring it on! Big ups to you folks. Thank you.

look a bit harder mate!

"...all the birds were debeaked".
I can see a beak on the birds in the photos. were the beaks re attached following the succesful revolution?

see the stubby upper beak, that's debeaking. it doesn't remove all of the beak.

simon

and sometimes it does remove the whole beak when they botch it. often the birds have to be handfed or they die.

Regardless of how they're treated there's no justification for locking innocent creatures in those cages.

Beak trimming removes up to a third of the beak (unless it is botched as a previous poster has described). If adult birds are beak trimmed, the damaged nerve endings can form neuromata. These spontaneously discharge and can cause the same sort of "phantom limb pain" experienced by human amputees. The pain can last for months.

But the humane people at the Ministry of Agriculture think this is unacceptable so they recommend that only young hens be beak trimmed. In this case, no neuromata are formed, and behavioural studies suggest pain "only" last for about a week!

Hen operators will say that beak trimming is necessary to stop hens pecking each other. But there are a number of better ways to go about this, and in fact the RNZSPCA only accredit manufacturers that do not beak trim.

Beak trimming, and battery egg production have been illegal in Switzerland since 1990. Battery eggs production is also illegal in Finland and Sweden, and will be phased out of the entire European Community by 2012. New Zealand is way behind on animal welfare.

For more on battery farming see www.epf.org.nz. Also see www.tegelchicken.co.nz and www.premierbacon.co.nz for more on factory farming of chickens and pigs.

Good job done! I hope they continue by liberating people from the factory farms that call themselves: Caltex, ANZ, Contact Energy, Dunlop, Fairfax, Farmers, Progressive, Telecom, Meridian, KFC, Sealord, SAFE, McDonalds, The Mad Butcher, Shell, Telstraclear, Noel Leamings, Godfrey Hurst, OPSM, Westpac, etc.

Fuck worker slavery!!!

While I am not a particular fan of the wage-slave system, there are crucial differences in the way human workers and factory farmed animals are treated that to my mind makes liberation of animals a priority.

1. Factory workers can go home to their families after work and at weekends

2. Factory workers are not forced to stand in an area less than their own body area.

3. Factory workers have clean toilets. They do not have to lie in their own shit.

4. Factory workers do not have bits of their anatomy removed.

5. Factory workers are not sent to the slaughterhouse as soon as they stop being productive.

6. If factory workers are so obese they are in constant pain when standing that is their own lifestyle choice, they have not been bred that way.

7. Most factory workers are not so bored they have to bite the bars of their cages, or chew each other to bits.

8. Factory workers do not collapse on the job with broken legs.

Phil
www.epf.org.nz

Thank you, you bare foot hippies.

How about librating the animals that are kept in jail in The Auckland Zoo?

I don't think this will ever happen as the animal activists don't want to upset mainstream society too much. Thus, they only go after a very small sector that most don't care about. If the animal activists were serious about animal rights they would target: zoos, marine parks, supermarkets, butchers and fast food outlets more often. Instead they only go do the same old thing that achieves very little in the end.

I think it is a business decision for AR groups not to annoy mainstream culture too much or else their financial support would dry up.

It's a pity the AR movement doesn't do more because the biggest losers in all of this are the animals.

I wouldn't worry too much about the AR industry as most of it is a con. Take SAFE for example. They spent more money on people in the form of wages than on animal campaigns. You can see for yourself at www.companies.govt.nz/cms/banner_template/OBNAME by typing in Save Animals from Exploitation and by reading their annual accounts.

Also, it is interesting to see that the last accountant, in the 2005 ones, put some distance between themselves and the accounts. This should ring alarm bells!!!

why would people liberate animals from zoos?

i'd love to hear about all the brilliant society-changing animal rights actions that all you critics have organised or been involved in! seeing as you seem to have so much knowledge on how our society might be changed right away for the benefit of animals, why don't you share your wonderful ideas so we can all help?

instead of being so cynical and critical, why don't you support?

from your comments i'm assuming you're all omnipotent omniscient experts on animal rights activism. i'm sure you're all vegans, who work hard in your everyday lives to educate those around you about animal rights issues. i'm sure you've put in hundreds of hours between you sitting on stalls, talking to strangers, cooking your families vegan meals and showing them by example how to live without eating/abusing animals. i'm sure you've had many occasions where you've had to defend yourself when you've been abused and criticized (even by your loved ones) simply because you believe that it's not right to treat animals as a commodity for human consumption.

and if, on top of this often draining lifestyle, you have better suggestions for instigating mass social change than what the brave people in this story are putting their hearts and energies into, then please do share! i'm all ears..

Has it not occurred to the critics that there are immense logistical problems involved with zoo rescues.

Would all those who asked why the AR movement does not liberate animals from zoos volunteer to provide a good home for a zoo animal? Come to think of it, could you tell us an easy way to stuff an elephant, some cheetahs, a tiger and chimpanzees into our getaway vehicle? If you can we would be very glad to hear from you.

Even rescuing full grown pigs from sow stalls is problematic. What is required is a veterinarian and expert animal handler who can sedate the pig and lead the pig (who will understandably not trust humans much) into a truck. The rescuers then need someone with plenty of land to keep the pig on.

Perhaps you can understand why rescuers stick to chooks.

Phil
www.epf.org.nz

someone once said "the nature of any domesticated animal becomes deranged." I think zoos are wrong because they take animals out of the wild. is this conservation or a pathetic compromise since there is very little wild left in the world! freedom for all!

I agree that zoos are wrong because of the above posting and that animals are being exploited for profit!

Rosie's comments above aren't helpful because they reply to the cynical and critical postings with much of the same. Phil's last posting just shows how unwilling the AR activists are going to go for the animals that they are suppose to protect.

If the AR activists don't like the treatment that they have received here, by so many people showing their displeasure with them, then it might pay for them to go somewhere else.

yeah sorry about my cynicism - was mostly just trying to say that AR activists put in heaps of energy and effort simply in their everyday lives, and it is hard to try and instigate change or rescues on top of that.

as for zoos, yeah it's agonising seeing animals trapped in a situation like that. but zoo rescues.. the whole idea of a rescue, for me, should be about taking an animal out of a bad situation and putting it in a better place. 'rescuing' animals is pointless if the animal is only going to end up in a worse situation. i reckon with zoos we have to start at the other end, for example with their social acceptability. and things like stopping them from taking in new animals, and promoting 'conservation' projects be taken back to where the animals actually come from - in their native wilds.

anyway, we gotta share energies and strategies, attack the problem from all angles, come up with viable solutions/alternatives..

"Phil's last posting just shows how unwilling the AR activists are going to go for the animals that they are suppose to protect".

I can't speak for other activists but for myself I acknowledge that I am not competent enough to cope with the huge logistical problems of rescuing animals from zoos and putting them in a good home. I look forward to reading the media reports when it is discovered that those activists who are so superior to me in that regard and write such justified criticism of my lack of commitment have managed to empty the zoos.


Phil
www.epf.org.nz

I find it really frustrating seeing so many people post comments slating AR activists for what they have done here. The problem of animal abuse is such a huge one with all kinds of issues and there are so many different ways that humans are abusing and exploiting animals that how are people expected to be able to tackle every one of these issues? I think it's fantastic that people are willing to go to these lengths to save lives. Yes, there are animals who suffer in man made habitats in zoos, there are sows separated from their young and crammed in to sow stalls but that doesn't mean that saving 35 chickens lives and placing them in better homes is any less valid and inspiring an action.

I think it's great for us to discuss the changes that we can all make in our daily lives to help animals and for people to share ideas on how all forms of animal abuse can be abolished, but I think people deserve credit where it's due. Good shit!

i concur that the ar movement does not do enough. instead of crying on how hard ar campaigning is how about finding solutions to the problems instead of throwing it onto others?

remember it is the animals that are the biggest losers in all of this because they are still being: slaughtered, eaten, abused and being used to generate profit for the selected few by the billions!!!

come on: pull your socks up!!!

whats the deal with the AAA site?

whats wrong with it?

-Sid Vishnu

BTW I can see that the ALF has supa-glueon her fingers in the last foto

Looks like the bar has been rised for the AR movement. Now are the AR activists up to the challenge or will they continue running over the same old ground, finding the same old fears? Meanwhile our animal buddies end up on people's dinner plates, displayed in artificial environments or being maimed by the truck-loads while making money for a few individuals!

Oh no - the bar has been raised. I hope nobody gets hurt. Mind you - if it is the bar tab been raised then I'm in. :-)

fuck all these 'bar raising' threats.

if you don't like how something's being done then go do it better yourself.

quit whining at someone else to do it for you. ya big babies.

The above posting is not useful and it shows the true nature of some. I leave it up to individuals to judge what type of nature they have. I guess some people do not like been challenged. Do you really think insults are going to change people’s minds?

Swearing doesn't inspire me. Someone feel threaten by change, maybe?

I know change can be scary because sometimes I feel threaten by it, too. It is a pity that some people feel so threaten that they lash out. Just remember: the only constant is change and the only that can be permanent are your illusions.

Swearing does nothing for me either. Just goes to show what some people are like.

DANIEL ROLKE
Aha! Den berömde DANIEL ROLKE !!

Nej, han är knappast känd för varken sansad diskussionston eller god smak. Ni ser ju själva ovan vad HAN är kapabel till.
Vi som har haft med honom att göra tidigare har fått utstå det där under många år nu. Vore en lättnad att bli av med.

usch! Det kan bara finnas en enda person av din kaliber, "Maestro".
DET ÄR DU SOM ÄR DANIEL ROLKE! Erkänn! (Det innebär nämligen med att vi kan avfärda allt du hittills har skrivit med att det är ett psykfall som har skrivit det.)

This is ridiculous.

African american people are being tortured and killed, and then these bird things, who cares.

BLACK POWER

The last comment is plain speciesism. If a company was ripping off people in some significant yet minor way (say for example building a bypass through central Wellington, or ripping off some old ladies' pension funds) would there be the same self righteous cries of "how terrible, millions of people are dying, but you are being oh so parochial and worried about a bypass or a few old ladies being robbed". But as soon as anyone makes an effort to end abuses of any other species but our own, we get the same tired old chestnut.

Perhaps you could tell me what you are doing for African Americans, or anyone else. Most of the people bleating about "humans must come first" do nothing for humans or animals. In contrast, most AR activists are also involved in protests against significant human abuses, such as the war in Iraq as well.

BTW I agree about the excessive number of "anonymous" postings. Even though most of us use pseudonyms, we know who we are.

The above posting isn't useful as it doesn't provide any practical solutions. Instead of throwing it onto others to solve the problem why not offer solutions yourself?

the sis(security intelligence service)and gcsb (government communications security bureau)and,also, the intelligence bureau of the police are too interested in the activities of political protest,so people who do do not post real names or pen names are simply excercising their right to self-protection

yes it is good policy to keep shhhh about real names.

Just a reminder to all those planning to take part in SAFE's upcoming street appeal. Most of the money you'll be getting will be going into people's back pockets in the form of wages and not going directly to animal campaigns. The proof is on www.companies.govt.nz/cms/banner_template/OBNAME by typing in Save Animals from Exploitation and by reading their annual accounts. As all the world can see more money is spent on wages than on the campaigns for the animals.

Fair warning and there is objective proof to back it up. Still it is up to individuals to decide.

From my personal experience, SAFE only exists to keep the selected few in power and pussy, so I never give time or donate money to it. Most unfortunate as the biggest losers are the animals!

hullo, it was good to bump into two of you (one of whon,I know) the other day,on the main street,near the bus stop...you are heroes...liberate the animals...today,on this rainy day,a save the animals from extinction group is collecting donations on the streets of christchurch...if the city voice were still publishing in wellington,you would get more space for your voice...on with the revolution

Nah, I didn't bother giving $$$ to Safe because I know what a front it is to keep the selected few in power and the high life...

I didn't donate anything to SAFE either as it wasn't in my best interest to. It has been proven time and time again on this internet site and the evidence is too strong to support that it doesn't do what it suppose to do: save animals from exploitation.

I do not have anything to do with Safe anymore. After working there on the work for the dole scam all that I learned from the place is that it only exists to keep some in money and very little is done for the animals. What others have written about it is correct and the pussy and power comment sums up the directorship very well. Take for example when I was there I help dump about a warehouse full of old chimp calenders that Safe made. This is proof that it is poorly run. Now they have another calender up for sale but no doubt heaps will be dumped again. Which in turn leads to wasting more money that could be better used. Plus what others have posted in this forum about how lazy the AR movement is are right. Good shit!

SAFE is poorly ran. When I was involved with them they were caught by The Internal Affairs Dept for bullshitting about the raffles they use to have, so they were banned from running them again. That is why they have not had any raffles for the past number of years. That is the reason why I no longer support SAFE.

Replying to anonymous #39 (see how confusing it is) I was not suggesting anyone should use their real name, but rather that we stick to regular login names. Phil is not my real name either.

It's about time you know who shot the police officer in their mind!

I didn't see any heros collecting for Safe. All what I saw was misguided individuals been fooled into believing that they were doing something noble. While really all that they were doing was supporting an unelighten fiefdom.

That's all what I saw too!!!

me 2

I, as well.

You lot aren't the only ones that saw this. I too only saw deluded people collecting cash for an organisation that makes out it is more than what it does. Hence I kept my hard earned money in my pocket and bank account.

Yeah, giving money to Safe is a waste, so I give it to the AAA instead.

For a better return on your time and money you are better off giving to a group like the AAA or HARD. It is because direct action works better than the SAFE drival.

Good to see HARD is still hard @ work. Just see indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/40957/index.php 4 proof!

Gee, why do so many people slag off Safe? What have they done to deserve this?

It's because the leadership of SAFE slags off so many different people and organisations both within and without the animal rights movement. So some choose to give it back. As the old saying goes: people who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

Here! Here!

This makes me so angry, disgusting selfish people. How can they do such a thing. I get so mad when my freinds don't buy free range eggs or chicken and this is why. You guy's did a great thing. Man. I can't beleive this. I hatet hat place, I hope it gets shut down OR changes the way they treat the chickens they make PROFIT from. Man humans can be stupid.

Same here! Free range is much better because there is more colour, texture and taste.

yes i only eat free range eggs i have @ home as i find da supermarket/battery farm ones crap.

I agree that battery/factory farm eggs are awful. That's whay I only eat eggs from my own free range hens that I have at home. The taste is better and I save money, so I kill two birds with one stone.

I don't donate money or have anything to do with the AR movement anymore as the guilt trip doesn't work for me because I find that sort of thing too childish and shallow.

"I kill two birds with one stone" - an unfortunate unintended pun there.

lol

this is so mean how could u put this on the internet?

what should be on the internet? what shouldn't be on the internet? why? why not? you confuse me with the question.

エロセックス出会い

セックスセフレアダルト

エロSEX風俗

オナニー出会いエロ

セックスセフレ不倫

エッチアダルト出会い

balance of shoes nike shoes shoes.com adidas shoes puma shoes womens shoes dress shoes. casual shoes wholesale shoes watch china watch net dkny watch online watchs gents watches panerai watch . sport shoes nike shoes shoes boots sandal shoes basketball shoes slippers shoes . replica rolex watches rolex watch replica watches- cartier watches- cartier watches swiss watch automatic watch chronograph watch. mens watch watch com men's watch the watch womens shoes leather shoes dress shoes running shoes . adidas shoes tote bag golf bag plastic bag purses bag briefcase bag steve madden shoes gold watch rockport shoes repairs watches best replica watches youtube watch youtube watch rolex watch rolex watches casio watches watches online timex watches tag watches. nike jordan shoes ladies watch leather bag replica handbag replica handbags wearing fashions clothes jorand shoes . oyster rolex dive watches replica watches- watches for men- timex watches buy watch rolex mens chrono watch elgin watch. automatic watch ladies watch mens watches new shoes steve madden shoes sneakers shoes sneaker shoes jorand shoes . rolex replica belts bag diaper bags travel bag laptop bag shoulder bag wears art glass urban wear fendi bag briefcase bag nike shoes men shoes fashion shoes women's shoes shoe store nike shoes best replica watches nike shoes men shoes fashion shoes women's watches cracked- medieval times- cidreq cidreq mens health ukraine 2009 calendar. chopper leipzig madsen donald duck isis king ncaa mens soccer cuny portal croazia . pasolini safari e-buddy espace pub rugby henderson waves UGG shoes sale Wholesale UGG shoes. women UGG shoes sale online UGG shoes sale Wholesale Latest UGG shoes onlin Latest UGG shoes online sale online UGG shoes sale Latest UGG shoes online sale Wholesale UGG shoesUGG shoes sale women UGG shoes sale UGG shoes sale Wholesale UGG shoes online Latest UGG shoes online sale Wholesale Latest UGG shoes onlin

出会いセックス素人

エッチ巨乳熟女

Rolex Sports Modelswrist watches rolex watches replica watchesfine watches casio watches watches online quartz watch. nike shoes ladies watch men's watch nike shoes running shoes Tiffany Bracelet basketball shoesjorand shoes .replica rolex watches rolex watch replica watches- fine watches- rolex datejust rolex mens watch repair oyster rolex watch.air flight ladies watch men's watch rolex submarinerrunning shoes Tiffany Bracelet rolex replica jorand shoes .rolex replica watches rolex replicanike shoes rolex replicarolex replicafake rolex replicarolex replica watchesrolex replicarolex replicarolex replica watchesrolex replicabest replica watches watches diamond watches replica watches rolex watches casio watches watches online tag watches.nike jordan shoes ladies watch luxury rolex watchnike shoes running shoes cleveland cavaliers basketball shoesjorand shoes .oyster rolex dive watches replica watches- watches for men- rolex datejust buy watch rolex mens watch repair oyster rolex watch.byron velvick ladies watch seagull watches rolex submarinerespace pub phoenix suns rolex replica jorand shoes .rolex replicawatches rolex replicanike shoes rolex replica Madsenrolex replicafake rolex replicarolex replica watchesrolex replicarolex replicashoe store nike shoesbest replica watchesnike shoes mens health mlb jerseyswomen's shoesshoe storenike shoesbest replica watchesnike shoeswomen shoesfashion shoeswomen's watches UGG shoes saleWholesale UGG shoeswomen UGG shoes saleonline UGG shoes saleWholesale UGG shoes onlineLatest UGG shoes online saleWholesale Latest UGG shoes onlineair jordan shoesreplica watchesReplica HandbagsRolex Sports Models

童貞セフレナンパ