ahahahahahahahaha thats absoloutly awesome tegel is certainly not having a good year. Lets hope that tegel continues to face economic losses and that the millions of animals living and dying in factory farms across New Zealand get a break and a chance for a better life.

whooooooo fuckin hoooooooooo

Hopefully Tegel's misfortune continues this year!!!

er, the numbers are wrong, 50,000 chickens are killed every day at the Chch Tegel slaughterhouse, until today that is.

anyway, whether it was an accident (more likely at this stage) or a deliberate fire , this news certainly made my day!

Mr G

If anyone would like to get in touch with Tegel in their time of need, here are some contact details. No doubt these directors would like to hear from you and since they will probably be very busy and stressed at work maybe best to contact them at home.

DIRECTORS
Mr Ronald Duje Vela
6 Bocage Lane, West Harbour, Auckland
Home Ph 0-9-416 9949

Timothy Peter Crick
45 Codrington Cres, Mission Bay, Auckland
Home Ph: 0-9-528 6588

Tegel Free Phone 0800 730 850

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JOY sweet JOY another slaughterhouse hits the dust!

Ah, this press release seems to have read my mind. One ALF raid, and a slaughterhouse burnt to the ground, thats a good start to '07 for chickens in both islands!

The activist unfortunately wasn't cooked! That's it, no more KFC, MacDonald's and Wendys...

Well thats really good but to think that htey will stop the slaughter is too far-fetched

one wonders if the "ALF" here have the same conviction as ALF/ELF warriors in the States who are currently serving long sentence in jail for their "liberation" work and arson attacks.Me thinks NOT.

one wonders correctly, get caught fucking with the food and it is big trouble, wanna see the entire justice system turn to chicken shit? Go majorly fuck with the big proud amerikkkan chemical factory in shithole New Plymouth, even the pigs are sick of that WMD factory enough to take a very long time to respond to calls.

then again, it is far away, and takes courage, so forget it stay home there with the chooks.

Lols! Here we go again! More much ado about nothing. Only five chicks rescued. What about the rest of the hundreds of thousands of birds still in these factory/battery farms?

Really this is pitiful and the numbers prove it. Lets see will we: 5 divided by hundreds of thousands equals 0.0000..........laughable percent. (Refute that logic.)

No wonder the rest of society thinks the animal rights movement is poor and people keep on eating, maiming and exploiting animals for profit, their own personal use, etc.

I do not know what makes me more angry: the individuals that abuse the animals or the misguided ones who think this type of action is wonderful.

Grr...indeed!

I agree, what the ALF members do is sad and the burning down some of the Tegal plant in Christchurch won't changa a thing as people will still eat: turkey, chicken, duck and other birds.

to the 5 birds rescued it means everything to be free,stop criticising people who have compassion and actually get off there ass to try and do something,any action is better than words

"I agree what the ALF members do is sad"what a pathetic individual you are ,if you took your head out of the sand and saw the misery ,death and torture of billions of animals worldwide in labs,slaughterhouses,fur farms,battery farms ,That is SAD...VIVA ALF

if the suffering of one is lessened by an action then the action was worth it. if the action shows the injustice to others then the action holds the seed to turn the entire tide of injustice in the world around. any action can change people's thinking towards not just the issue at hand but all issues which hold the same or similar root cause. the single individual act of revolt is never in vain.

V for Vendetta

After reading here that 44,000,000 chickens are slaughtered per year by Tegal puts the five chicks rescued by ALF lately into perspective: pathetic. It is upsetting to read that some misguided folk still think what ALF did is super when in reality it is nothing. The mathematics does not lie.

I don't know what all the fuss is about as chickens and turkeys are still been killed in Christchurch in their thousands every day. Either by Tegal in other areas of their plant or by other firms. So nothing has changed for the birds and the selected few are still making a profit from it all.

5 chickens rescued by the ALF is a wonderful act for those five chickens. How could anyone expect the ALF in NZ to rescue thousands and thousands of chickens? That couldn't be done logistically - so 5 were given a chance, that's great.

It's also bloody great that the Tegel slaughter house burned down so the killing stopped for a little bit...feel sorry for all the chickens crammed in crates for hours and hours waiting for the slaughter to start up again though.

But there is definately egotism in the ALF. It's part of their style and quite common although, I don't think, it is neccessary.

There has been talk that ALF burned the place down. I don't think they did as I can't beleive they would be so stupid to. If they did all they would've hurt were the working class/low income bracket people by making them unemployed. Fortunately the workers were offered jobs at another factory doing the same thing or working in another area of the plant killing turkeys. So the birds still lucked out.

I don't know what makes me more furious: the people that abuse animals or the easily lead individuals that thoughtlessly beleive what ALF do is heroic. All what they do is that same thing year after year acheiving nothing! It is about time they changed their strategy or else we will be seeing the same old thing in ten years time: insignificant actions reported on web sites that very little people know about, let alone read, with ego stroking/back patting/inane comments after it. Meanwhile billions of animals would've been killed, maimed or ended up on people's dinner plates just so the selected few can make hugh amounts of money from it.

It breaks my heart and I know it break your heart too that the animal rights movement does not do more to liberate/help/protect the animals. I agree, they need to change their tactics or else we will have the biggest sense of deja vu when we read the same things in the future.

IT IS TIME!

It is time for a change!

It is time for a change for what the AR movement do or else nothing will be acheived!

I'm sure it is only the children that dance with glee about a part of a factory been burned down and the ineffect behaviour of the AR movement.

The bar has been raised now as people expect more of the AR activists. Otherwise, all that they will do is run over the same old ground, finding the same old fears. All the while generating more money for themselves like: The AAA, NZAVS, SAFE, WARN and other unelighten fiefdoms.

Remember it will be the animals that will be the biggest losers in all of this. It is because they will still be exploited for profit and personal gain by a few greedy individuals that don't care about the harm and damaged that they do!

It's nice to see so many people are so interested in the AR movement that they want to change it for the better. I hope we can see all the critics who posted here volunteering for CAFF stalls so we don't have to rely on the same 5 people to tell the public about factory farming.

Since everyone seems to know how SAFE, WARN, AAA and other groups should be run then I hope to see a stampede of volunteers willing to join these organisations and change them for the better, or starting their own group.

I hope we can see hundreds on demos outside factory farms and vivisection labs, scores of letter to the paper, queues of people outside their MP's office demanding an end to cruel practices, no shortage of people willing to take chickens, open rescues around the country, more direct actions than the vivisectors and farmers can cope with, enough volunteers to give talks at every school and community group in the country, etc.

Yes I hope for all this, but I won't hold my breath.

After all it is easier to sneer at other peoples' effort than to do anything constructive yourselves. That way you get to feel self-important, while achieving less than nothing for the animals.

The above posting isn't helpful as it provides no useful solutions to the harm caused to our animal buddies.

No, the above comment is not helpful as it answers sneers with much of the same.

I agree, the above posting is only sarcastic and doesn't inspirer me at all.

Phil the vegan posting doesn't provide any useful advice except to support the empires that don't work. Very, very disappointing!!!!!

I concur, I'm sure it is only the kiddies that dance with glee about a part of a factory been burned down and the ineffective behaviour of the animal rights industry.

What other type of person would be happy about the pitiful attemps of the AR activists and the destruction of a factory?

Very well said Phil,I dont live in N.Z but i reguarly read the AA website they have been effective in their fur campaigns and are grassroots NOT obsessed with raising $$...SO what will you do?

It's about time you know who shot the police officer in their mind!!!

Im sorry but this ALF bashing is wrong!sitting on their arrogant ass'S criticising something they know nothing about,typical selfish,uncaring,The AR MOVENMENT is small ,instead of criticising DO SOMETHING,but youve probably got no balls

I find insults no incentive for me to change my mind and it certainly isn't inspirering. I find them shallow and childish!

Same here!

I, as well!!!

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The haters can all take a walk.
As Stalin said, one death is a tragedy, 44 million deaths is a statistic.

I think the AR movement is by far the most successful social movement, whether we take any credit for it or not. Ten years ago vegetarians were considered very weird and it was hard to find food. Now it's commonplace; today in Chiang Mai (northern Thailand) the owner of a restuarant told me out of the blue her family are mostly vegan. More vegans + less factory farming + more "cruelty free products" = a movement which is winning.

By comparison Marxists/lenninists etc have been trying for centuries, but sweatshops and low wages are as bad as ever. i think that only the environmental movement (and perhaps womyn's rights) compare to animal rights in terms of progress.

In the case of the fire, I think it was just a (very fortunate) freak occurance though, or perhaps a tegel worker was so dismayed by the horrendus conditions there they decided to burn down their own factory, despite the effects it might have on the working class :)

I think the AR movement is by far the most successful social movement, whether we take any credit for it or not. Ten years ago vegetarians were considered very weird and it was hard to find food. Now it's commonplace; today in Chiang Mai (northern Thailand) the owner of a restuarant told me out of the blue her family are mostly vegan. More vegans + less factory farming + more "cruelty free products" = a movement which is winning.

By comparison Marxists/lenninists etc have been trying for centuries, but sweatshops and low wages are as bad as ever. i think that only the environmental movement (and perhaps womyn's rights) compare to animal rights in terms of progress.

In the case of the fire, I think it was just a (very fortunate) freak occurance though, or perhaps a tegel worker was so dismayed by the horrendus conditions there they decided to burn down their own factory, despite the effects it might have on the working class :)

Jesse

I agree, it is time for a change in how the Animal Rights movement does things because I do get an incredible sense of deja vu while reading this article and others. I was involved in the Animal Rights movement about eight years ago and it was doing the same thing then: small actions that in the end achieved nothing while people with egos the size of planets patted themselves on the back for them. And what has it acheived since then? Nothing as billions of animals are still being slaughtered and eaten by the majority of people while the selfish, privileged and perverted few make truck-loads of cash from it.

With all the: inflated egos, spin doctors i.e. people using news-speak and double think as a tool, doing the same ineffective actions and fiefdoms involved in the Animal Rights movement you can sum it up in one word: MACHIAVELLIAN!

It's interesting to read that the Tigel factory is in Christchurch Safe's home city but you never see them protesting in front of it. Why? Is this another business decision not to upset the working class which is their main source of income?

You won't see SAFE protesting in Christchurch. The only time you will see them being proactive in the streets of its head quarters is when they are fund-raising. That's the only time anyone will see them come down from their Ivy Tower in Armagh Street.

It's because the ar industry is full of egoistical megalomanics that it does very little!

Here ! Here! It is full of egocentric loons.

Machiavellian is a very good word to apply to the animal rights movement!

I think the past action of the AR movement have been hopeless in the past, so it is time for some creatative/innovation/laterial/enterprising thinking and behaviour. Otherwise, doing the same old things will continue to achieve very little.

The anti-AR comments are reasonable and justified. It's sad to see the best reply to them is sarcasm and jeers. Just goes to show what some people are like.

Isn't it interesting to note that the writing style in almost all of the critical comments over the last day or two is exactly the same. One can only assume they were written by the same person, constantly agreeing with themself to boost their ego.

I'm an occasional AR activist, although I'm not involved in any groups. While there are definately criticisms that than be made of the various AR groups around the country, there can be no denying that they are having a positive effect (just look at AAA's anti-fur campaign) and that many lives have been saved by the ALF and the recent Open Rescue.

While the recent rescue of 5 chickens may seem small when taken as a percentage of total chickens murdered every year, it is still 5 lives that will now be lived out in happiness.

To the person constantly posting that the AR movement needs a new direction and more creativity, do you have any useful suggestions? If you do, why not suggest them? This is as good a place as any.

"That it does very little". Perhaps the person (I agree - seems like only one person) would like to talk about their highly successful social movement :)

SAFE hold regular stalls in both Akl and Chch, and maybe other centres. Successful? Not many years ago SAFE were campaigning to get free range eggs heard of and sold in supermarkets. Have things changed? And how about the TV appearances every few weeks at least? The reason you see SAFE out successfully fundraising is becuase the public know and support them, whichever class they belong to :)

And if AAA wasn't successful in some way at least, the police wouldn't be spending millions on a special unit to try to shut it down.

The only groups I see on the streets as often as SAFE (and AAA) are Falun Dafa and the Palestinian group. I sense a little jelousy among red-left socialists becuase animal rights IS so big and successful in bringing social change, becuase its members are so prooactive.

I hope this isn't more ego stroking. I would like to see the objective evidence to back up the claims, please.

Stop being so lazy and work it out yourself!

I beleive the AR movement does need to do things with a difference or else it will become old and stale.

As for Safe, I've only seen them hold stalls only to rise money for themselves, so I don't know where people are coming from in saying that it is so great.

It does come across that rescuing only five chicks is a joke and it would be nice to see more positive, constructive and worthwhile action done to help our animal friends. And being happy about some destruction over a factory does seem petty and immature.

Here's wishing that the AR movement does some growing up and does more that what it has done in the past. If so I'm sure that the animals will come out the winners!

It's a pity to see that the individuals involve in the animal rights movement aren't mature enough to accept any type of feedback as a gift.

i wouldnt call your pathetic,unimformed posts "a gift"their obviously from the same person,are you jealous that the public have more time for AR than your outdated, pious socialist ideals?

I actually agree with the person who is saying the animal rights movement is ineffectual. But I think it would be more helpful to say something constructive - like how they could be better. Personally, I can't think of anything effective, and I think it is a waste of time criticizing people who are doing things even if they are ineffectual, unless you can come up with some better ideas. Anyway please post your ideas on how to make them better, otherwise you are even more ineffectual that the animal rights movement.

You critics of ALF must be very young and very naive. So ALF goes in and rescues 1000 chicks and then finds good homes for them!!!! Grow up. ALF has done more for animals in all parts of the world in the last 30 years than any of you morons. What you all have in common is ignorance and a lot of space between the ears.

This thread pissed me off - there seems to be a lot of criticism and not much actually being offered as a suggestion/alternative.

I haven't been involved in AR for a while because I've been working in unions for the past year or so, so I can't say that I've been doing a lot in AR.

Beyond Auckland Animal Action I haven't had much experience except for some AR national meetings. I don't know of any other AR group that regularly takes action and they are certainly the only one with a constant direct action campaign (anti-fur, at least over winter.) That's an issue.

SAFE does campaigning and they do hold stalls and have a number of volunteers and although I wouldn't call it direct action (SAFE is more similar to Greenpeace although SAFE hasn't done a publicity action stunt for a while) but it has been around for a long time and they do do regular work on issues. Might not be how I'd do it, but they're sticking to it and I've met some very enthusiastic SAFE volunteers.

There are regular AR gatherings as I mentioned and they've gone beyong any other national meetings of activists I've been in and actually targetted companies during their campaigns. I find them focused, relevant and action focused even if the participants don't necessary take the info away and use it like we'd all hope. (I didn't go to the last one, it was expensive.) Not always that many new faces and they don't seem to be as fun each time.

There are some other groups who do stuff every know and then, and they often get good coverage. I'm not sure what CAFF and Marky are doing at the moment, but I know he spends a lot of time doing it. I'm not sure where the other groups are at.

I have my critisms of AR and I have my suggestions, but I also don't have enough time to be involved at the moment. In other words I can't find out if my ideas are worth anything because I can't actually try them out.

As for Auckland Animal Action, I have more knowledge as I was involved for a couple of years. AAA is in my mind an effective affinity group, the most effective I've been involved in (and by far the most full on!) but they're not a social movement. They are a group of dedicated volunteers who work hard after work (and sometimes during work!). I think they think they see themselves as a social movement in and of themselves. They are good at being a small action based group. That has it's limitations of course, not everyone can be so dedicated and the numbers go up and down but the core group keeps it going.

I think there needs to be more groups like AAA for a more effective AR movement and I think the same would go for any other social justice groups if not just for their dedication and continuity. Without ongoing campaigns its more difficult to learn what actually is useful and effective for small scale direct action.

My major criticism/suggestion would be that if AR wants to be more effective, there would also need to be able to be a better way to get more people involved to be able to branch out. There needs to be ways to get people not already converted to AR or those ready to be converted (young/pakeha/middle class/rebelious) which would require some form of organising/campaigning beyond small direct action groups. I've no idea how to make that happen, but I think www.SHAC.org overseas has been successful in getting beyond small groups (without losing them) and build organising campaigns with outreach without losing an action orientation.

(Just a random side note before I forget - for any lefty who feels touchy about AR - AAA support other groups, not just AR - I/we've s/been at union strikes, joined Anti-War rally's etc etc.)

As a personal experience, I'd like to say that whilst I don't feel that I've experienced organising possibilities in AR like I have at a union, I've never been involved in any other group that knows how to take action and cause trouble effectively. I've liked the various Anti-GE protests etc, but those crazy AAA kids will all come for a naughty action over and over. They are more consistent than Anti-War actions I've been in, althought they tend to get ou in trouble more too! They don't lock-on for the TV when they can lock-on for the day and piss off the targetted company and win the goal instead. (I look forward to Winter!) They're good friends who might get pissed off with each other, but usually focus on how to get something done rather than just talking wank and feeling good about ourselves whilst the task isn't being fulfilled.

I'm sure there are other people like me in Auckland who wanted to get involved in political action and found nothing constant expect for AAA. Rather than turning us into AR single issue groupies, AAA kindled in my mind what could happen in other groups. It gave me something to do rather than just talking at a Direct Anti War Action group meeting (I kept on doing that to of course!) or going to endless Anti-GE meetings about action that went nowhere. It might not have the broad social analysis of Anarchism or Socialism, and even lack the possibilities of broader social movements, but in comparison to endless meetings about consensus and no action, AAA got off its butt and did it in practice.

I don't know what things are like now and things weren't always perfect, but I say thank-god for AAA! Which is a lot, because I'm an atheist.

And just as another side note about rescueing *only* 5 chickens. It's difficult to rehome chickens and they often need special care. It also happens more than is reported. Sometimes people are just driving home from work, drive past a farm and think shit I should do something and as they are unprepared there's not much room for more than a half-dozen. Also keep in mind that for every chicken rescue posted AAA will receive 10 abusive phone calls and heaps of emails just for putting up the ALF's communiques. That's a hassle that AAA puts up with just for support the ALF. Perhaps you should give them more support? AAA is always looking for volunteers for homes for animals and donations for costs involved in running a group. Perhaps your financial support or rehoming commitment will help build a better movement if you only have time to pop on Indymedia and not enough time to get involved?

Simon

Sorry, but tired and not good at writing off the top of my head. Heaps of typos, but heres the big woozies:

"There are regular AR gatherings as I mentioned and they've gone beyong any other national meetings of activists I've been in and actually targetted companies during their campaigns."

I meant to say "actually targetting companies during their conferences". Action focused conferences a plus! Take action at the end of any meeting of people, its more inspiring. Even better, make a rule you can only have meetings after an action!

"They are a group of dedicated volunteers who work hard after work (and sometimes during work!). I think they think they see themselves as a social movement in and of themselves."

I meant that they don't see themselves as a social movement in and of themselves. Course they are a part of one, but the focus is more specifically on a small action group.

There needs to be ways to get people not already converted to AR or those ready to be converted (young/pakeha/middle class/rebelious) **INVOLVED** which would require some form of organising/campaigning beyond small direct action groups.

I've never been involved in any other group that knows how to take action and cause trouble **AS** effectively.

And just before people start taking it the wrong way, by naughty actions over and over I mean home demos, shop demos, getting nicked, locking on etc.

That's a hassle that AAA puts up with just **TO** support the ALF.

Mumble mumble apologies etc etc. Obviously AAA hasn't improved my early morning concentration.

I can't believe I wasted my time reading all these petty insults.

but it was worth reading all the way to the end for simons comments

Most of the other shit is just one guy who spends his entire life trolling the internet and making anti AR comments on every indymedia post ever.

Mr G

it's time for u to shoot da police man in ur mind!

I'm SO SO sick of these childish comments underneath every AR article!

Alan, get a life you loser. You are such a SAD person.

Simon's comments were worth reading in that he gave some CONSTRUCTIVE comments on the AR movement, things they are doing well as well as things that could be improved.

I take on board the comments that groups need more membership and a more diverse membership, but does anyone have any constructive ideas on how to achieve this? CAFF have been conducting stalls with the same 5 active members for 3 years now, and considering our lack of resources we ave done quite well. But we do need more people to avoid getting burned out. We are aware of the problem of membership and actively trying to remedy it, but so far without success.

SHAC do seem to be very successful, but perhaps the movement in the UK is simply more mature and the public is more educated and sympathetic. Remember the AR movement started in the UK and the UK has about a 25 year headstart on us.

It appears that the Safe leaderhip has been mind mastubating again!

Looks like the AR network is childish and hopeless. I do agree that it is immature to be happy about some factory being burned down. Also I do feel sorry for the animals having it on the look out for them because very little is done. Because of all of this I don't feel guilty eating meat anymore.

It's nice to see so many different people interested in the animal rights cause. Lets hope for a positive change and more animals will be liberated.

Yes, lets hope for a positive change or we will continue going around in circles and the AR movement will grow stale.

If the AR cause is so wonderful it would be great to see some objective proof to back up the claims.

Looks like the kids have been playing here. Still, it's the school holidays, so no wonder.

Sticking to the facts I say I have to come down on the anti-AR side.

With ALF only rescuing five chicks and with Tegal and others killing over 44 million chickens a year then it is an insignificant number. Even taking into account that ALF is suppose to rescue about 1000 chickens a year it is still an insignificant number just slighty larger.

As for Safe suppose to be a fantastic organization the facts don't support that. The objective proof is on www.companies.govt.nz/cms/banner_template/OBNAME by typing in Save Animals from Exploitation and by reading their annual accounts. As anyone can see more money is spent on wages i.e. people than on the animal campaigns. If they spent money the other way round then yes it is a great organization but...

As for the anti-AR comments coming from one person there is no independent objective evidence to support this, so people can disregard this as false.

For the pro-AR side they haven't provided enough impartial proof to support their claims. Their own internet sites aren't good enough because they are biased. (Understandable but still biased.)

Now I'm don't going to give suggestions on how to improve things as I'm not willing to have others freeload off me. Also, I think it's best for the people involved in the AR cause to come up with their own ways to do things. That way they will feel more comfortable with it and allocate their resources accordingly.

Therefore, sticking to the facts I'm with the people being critical about the AR network. However, being emotional about the AR cause, as some have been by the insulting and immature comments being made by both sides, then the pro-AR...

this is pathetic and not helpful. you're obviously talking crap and trying to look like you're not. you also look like you're trying to be a different person from previous posts. it's boring and harmful.

If a vast majority of the anti AR posts on this thread have come from the same person, no doubt aimc has the ability to trace this, and i would support them redflagging/blocking this annoying prick. identifiying the persistant and cowardly critic might encourage her/him not to talk shit.

Ed Locks

At Aotearoa Indymedia, like most other Indymedia centres worldwide, we choose not to log IP addresses to protect the privacy and security of those who post to AIMC, and therefore are not able to trace or confirm (or deny) that the posts are done by the same person.

Asher
AIMC Editorial Collective

In this case your privacy policy is a bit of a bummer, but overall I can see the fairness and practicality of the stance. thanks for the response Asher.

In regard to people dishing activists for rescuing only 5 hens etc. These types of actions carried out by AR groups may only save a small number of animals but each of these actions also expose the animal cruelty that many companies try to get behind closed doors.

The recent action of 25 hens liberated from convicted animal abuser Van Den Bogaart in south auckland was the head story on TV ONE last night.(tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/958611)

Therefore hundreds of thousands of NZers saw this and it got the plight of battery hens brought straight to the public.

To any animal that is rescued, that makes the difference to that individual who will no longer suffer.

People making negative comments about indivuals that risk their freedom to help animals and expose the abuse that millions are subjected to every day really have no right if you are doing nothing yourselves to make changes.

All my support goes to the courageous people that take a stand and put others before themselves weather that be animals, people in need or the environment!!!!!

Personally I can't see where this one person thing is coming from. Is it incompetent people that can't take ownership for their own faults averting interest away from the main issue of ar groups don't do enough?

Since no indepentent objective evidence is forthcoming people can dismiss the assertions that one person is unfavourable toward the AR network and it is a deflection ploy away from the fact that it needs to do better to me more effective. Also it is people involved in the AR cause that can't accept the fact that different people think that they are poor performers.

Your an idiot and its obvious that you are the same person by the way you right. Jesus!

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