so why didn't yous rock down to the cenotaph at 5.30am and do this protest with us?

Don Franks, one of your members, wrote "I was also not sure if disruption of the ceremony was the most productive tactic. To be honest, I felt quite torn about whether I should go down or not." and then "The anti war movement can only suceed when it becomes a mass movement again and cannot be rebuilt just by a few small occasional protest actions. But those small actions are a part of that process and should be supported."

i don't get why u didn't show up in the first place?

stop fuckin moaning. Don explained why he didnt come, and the WP have been nice enough to put out a press release in support. be nice back, its called solidarity and we all need that
Mr G

most people appreciate it. good on the Workers Party

Thanks!

For my part I have just started a new job this week. On Wednesday I felt a bit buggered from it but didn't go down.
Joel was the only WP member who attended.

Nick

Thanks for the solidarity from one of the people at the demo :)

That's really bad publicity for NZ progressives and doesn't help our aims (Workers Right's, No Imperialist wars).

For most people ANZAC day is a chance to remember what their Grandparents or parents did in bringing down Hitler, rather than a glorification of war in general.

I still disagree with the idea of ANZAC day seeing as it focuses and romanticizes Gallipolli which was a campaighn where New Zealanders were fodder for a meaningless carnage to see which imperialist camps would get the lions share of the colonies and profits.

The attention has, in fact, shifted from the awful first world war and onto the Anti-Fascist second world war.

But still for most people ANZAC day is about the human experiences of war and the appreciation of sacrifice.

Progressive activists shouldn't burn flags like petulant upset children, rather they should ignite a debate on what we should actually be celebrating, if anything.

Inst

Whose attention? Gallipoli still seems to get the lion's share of the media coverage, and WWII is only brought up in order to sweep under the carpet the meaninglessness of the other wars. Why should we appreciate pointless nationalist sacrifice?

How should activists go about igniting such a debate?

GRIEVE NOT FOR THEM AS THEIR GLORY LIVES ON FOREVER.FOR THEY FOUGHT TO KEEP NEW ZEALAND WHITE AND FREE OF MUDS AND YIDS.

And you bunch of Mentally Retarded Dope smoking Alcoholic Fuckwits piss on that GLORY.

Have you guys never heard of picking your fucking battles? You don't build a mass movement by pissing on the people you're trying to convince. Burning flags won't convince anyone - intelligent discussion and debate will.

burn motherfucker burn i say

As I've posted before, I had doubts about the tactics of this protest, and in the end didn't attend it.

Anzac day is a big mixture of agendas. There is genuine grieving involved. My grandad was conscripted into ww1 and got trench foot in France. My dad fought the Japanese in Singapore and was very lucky to get back home in one piece. My uncle was wounded in the middle East. Anzac day is about paying respect to those who sufferered because of genuinely trying to to their best in the awful circumstances they were thrust into.

Anzac day is also about the political as well as the personal. In recent years Anzac day has become a political football for cynical reactionaries like Helen Clark.

PAW was trying to oppose the tide of militarism and I agree with that aim.

The aim of protests is more obvious than questions of tactics and strategy, which I think are the hard ones.

The rising tide of militarism can't be answered by small actions. It can only be countered and repulsed by a huge mass movement. The creation of that movement will take a lot of determination and hard slog and also genuine debate and consideration of how best to proceed. The next question is how we can bend our backs to achieve that.

Don Franks

Sending my love and support to Val and Mark. Incredible the reaction you get to burn some material and blow a plastic horn(!)

ANZAC day could do with some reclaiming. It is a wonderful thing in a society that represses most displays of emotion, to have a day of community greiving. War is hell, meaningless destruction of life, driven by greed, racism and hate. If the 25th April (may need a name change to aid transformation) was a day to acknowledge this, a huge amount of good would come of it.

I think the reaction to the flag burning and horn blowing in the corporate media is telling of the ignorance that exists - I agree with Frank about the work needed. I find it difficult sometimes to accept the time it will take to this work, to acheive peace, and worry that the water on a rock approach does not acknowledge the reality of people suffering TODAY, and the urgency. The question is how to act affirmatively now, with an eye to the future and the mass movement that will end militarism.

BTW: May 15 = International Conscientious Objectors' Day

Peace be,
Anna-Claire

I stumbled on this article and I cant't beleive the fuckin nerve that some of you have.
Like many of us, we have all had family or friends that have been effected by these wars over the generations. My grandfather spent 4 years in Changi prison camp. I don't agree with any of theses current so called WAR's that are going on today but choose your battle and the time to have. Show some respect to these 17 year old men that left everything behind so you could sit aroung and write your dribble...

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