God, why the hell do the auckland police keep doing this! Don't have have guidelines for protests? Maybe AAA could print some out to give to them when they come bugging people.

Kia Kaha Rochelle, You'll win again, get some money outta these reactionaries.

There are standard police guidlines to policing a protest.

maybe you could get a copy of them, take them on demos with you and quote them to the filth.

Proof of animal abuse?

www.youtube.com/watch

Shocking!

Well done for organizing the protest.I hope you win the case.

Go Rochelle, go! It's great that you guys know the law better than the police!

sweet keep up the voice of the voicless!!

abolish the police!

is it really worth going through the courts to prove a point and stroke an ego?

Are you suggesting that we listen to the police and effectively shut down our protest whenever they ask?

At least by standing up for our rights and being arrested, we have some chance of stopping the police from continuing to do this in future.

This is not about stroking egos. It is about using the courts (while they still *sometimes* recognise the right to protest) to uphold basic rights and ensure NZ stays a democratic, free country. How else can it be done if not by testing the police in the courts?

Go AAA, you guys rock! What the entire police force offer is death by dogma!

I’m into AR rights and into the things below because I’m a free spirit!

www.erowid.org

www.youtube.com/watch

All of the links below are worthwhile to take a peek at.

www.massivenz.com/links

Rage and rave against the machine!

Don’t let others do your thinking and feeling for you!

It is funny how a significant animal rights group is in partnership with Massive that supports an unhealthy lifestyle with drug use. I thought a part of animal rights is promoting a healthy way of life of veganism. Yet here is an animal rights group getting into bed with an outfit that says drug use is okay.

Naughty, naughty SAFE! No wonder they have a reputation of being hypercritics! They deserve a jolly good spanking!

Safe suxs because direct action what the AAA and Open Rescue do works!!!

Yeah, SAFE is awful. While the boss supports drug use, takes off to the casino at odd hours and turns up to the office hangover us staff have to use food banks.

safe are cunts and now we know why

Safe gives ar a bad name. Just as well that the rest like the AAA and Open Rescue are on the ball.

I agree, it has been proven many times on this internet site that SAFE are shit.

SAFe is one unenlightened group. It's because the director is only out for himself and doesn't give a shit about people except for when he can get something from them.

Safe suxs because the leadership of it is psychotic and addicted to alcohol and other stuff.

Only people have rights and without fur how would people keep warm. Hopefully hippies will be an endangered species one day....

hopefully the human race will be an endangered speices one day!

Hippies? Fur? What are you some sort of 60s throwback? Get into the 21st century why don't you.

You are in any case quite wrong. An animal's life means as much to him as your does to you, so why should "rights" be only restricted to Homo sapiens?

If it were not for the actions of a few humans prepared to stick up for what they believe and back the weak and vulnerable then I would also hope for the extinction of the human species.

Phil

Phil, can you provide objective proof to your rhetoric, please?

out of sight ,out of mind,doesnt happen,cant empathise,go to work ,come home,turn on the tube,its all about me!!
we are small,we are slowly growing,we refuse to remain silent,the day will come!

From today's Nelson Mail

' Mr McGurk encouraged people to think carefully about a proposed "move on" law.

He said that while this would give the police greater power to move people away from crime scenes and break up large groups, he was aware that people could interpret the legislation as a way of denying them their right to protest.

However, he said it would be a useful tool for breaking up groups of boy racers, or crowds gathered outside Bridge St bars after closing time.

Police also wanted the ability to issue infringement notices for minor offences such as breaching liquor bans, instead of going through the lengthy process of laying charges, Mr McGurk said. ' .

Duncan

The older cops hate having to deal with this kind of thing. That's why they send the young dumb ones to bully the good people.
That policewoman's face in the last photo says it all really...

Cant see the police badge number very well in those photos, could someone make it available? For purposes of complaints.

Over the weekend will look through that other photos and see if I can see them better and will post here.

Try anything by Marian Stamp Dawkins, Ian Duncan or Jeffrey Masson to name a few. there ws also a very interesting summary in the latest "NEw Scientist" showing how birds have a theory of mind. But be warned; it does contain some BIG WORDS.

Perhaps those making unsubstantiated comments on hippies and fur could also provide some references.

Phil

Can we have some internet links to the above people, please, since they and what they write about sounds very interesting?

Thank you, Phil.

www.recipes.co.nz

Certainly I can provide references. The article on cheating behaviour in crows can be found on www.newscientist.com/channel/life/mg19426091.700-the-scheming-minds-of-crows.html. Basically it presents evidence that crows (long considered particularly intelligent birds) show advanced cognitive theories of mind long suspsected to be attainable only by adult humans, and then by humans and other apes, namely

1. Distinguishing between individuals
2. Making judgements as to which individuals can be trusted, based on past behaviour or on whether they are close to them (ie partners). This trust may or may not be rational but hey, doesn't love also make us blind
3. Understanding what another individual can see
4. Bluffing in order to trick another individual
5. Basing how well they trust others on their own personalities. Thief birds are most suspicious and generally better able to detect thieving in others (it takes a thief to catch a thief).
6. Remembering which individuals know what

MS Dawkins pioneered "willingness to work" experiments on animals, whereby the animals could "tell" her how much they wanted something based on how much work they were prepared to do to get it. Ian Duncan continued this kind of work on hens, and found that hens are hedonists, seeking pleasure for its own sake. They will work hard for a dustbath even if they have just had one, showing that the preference is not just an instictive one for a way of getting rid of parasites. Hens will also make their own nest even if they are provided with one already made, showing the possess something like a work ethic or maybe pride in crafting something themselves.

Jeffrery Masson wrote "the emotional life of animals" and "the pig who sang to the moon", based on observations of animal behaviour, strongly indicating the presence of emotions such as grief and joy as well as less complex feelings such as fear.

Compassion in world farming (www.ciwf.org.uk) ran a seminar on animal sentience, and more should be available on their website.

This should present enough evidence that animals have complex lives, are hedonistic, self aware and value their own lives.

Dolphins and chimps also show true altruism towards strangers (for chimps see www.newscientist.com -latest issue). A pod of dolphins near Whangarei even risked their own lives to save humans. The fact dolphins don't always behave that way is more evidence for their similarity to humans, not less. They are not compelled to save humans by some pre-programmed evolutionary mechanism, but freely choose to do so - or not. Just as we may choose to save someone else, campaign for animals, humans or the environment - or not.

Thank you, Phil. What you've provided kicks butt. Keep up the good work!

www.whatthebleep.com

www.thesecret.tv

Is that Phil Clayton from NZAVS?if it is ,your a disgrace to the once mighty NZAVS

NZAVS and SAFE are worthless jerks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most people on anti-fur demos have told me leather shoes are OK but fur is not. Leather is fur that has had the hair removed, possum fur is environmentally friendly, and as they are not caught in traps there is no issue re suffering, etc.... This issue suffers a lack of in-depth analysis by most protesters, this is stated with the understanding that some anti-fur protestors do have a rigorous understanding of the issues.

Hippies...not quite sure why you're convinced you're in the right here... making a public disturbance IS an offence and if you started disturbing my shopping with a load of hippie nonsense through a megaphone i'd consider that disturbing me.