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Crime stats 'business as usual' for prohibition beneficiaries

Contrary to popular myth, 'crime does pay', says Christchurch Mayoral candidate, Blair Anderson ( blair4mayor.com) – and it provides a considerable number of comfortable middle class salaries in NZ 'sadly at the expense of genuine community wellbeing and safety'.
Mr Anderson says the 6000 or so NZ police are primary beneficiaries of crime in New Zealand (fat salaries and perks). 'Alongside courts, corrections, judiciary, lawyers, prison builders, and politicians, police have a dangerous interest in maintaining an unacceptable level of crime, instead of genuinely defusing the violence, black marketing, mistrust and alienation in NZ.'
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'That fact that official crime statistics just released for the year show a small downward fluctuation is neither here nor there', says Mr Anderson, 'and police and government deserve no credit whatsoever, because they have merely maintained the nation's infamously high levels of abuse and dysfunction'. Mr Anderson asks when are the leaders of NZ going to acknowledge the fact that there is a FUNDAMENTAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST in the nation's 'crime prevention' strategy?: 'Do the police, or any of the other aforementioned beneficiaries really want to succeed, if that success causes a massive downsizing in their work load and power base???' Anderson is adamant that crime is being promoted (and 'milked') in NZ via the double standards surrounding alcohol and other drugs. He says there is compelling evidence that if cannabis were decriminalised there would be no increase in harmful use or uptake of pot, but instead a considerable reduction in the amount of black market related criminality in NZ, reduction in oppression related 'mental health' issues, a probable mitigation of alcohol misuse which police acknowledge fuels 85% of offending, and a much friendlier relationship between police and community.
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He points to Seattle (Christchurch sister-city), where a 2003 initiative effectively decriminalised cannabis use by making it lowest policing priority. Seattle now has less than one thirtieth the number if cannabis arrests per capita occurring in NZ, and administrators are testifying to the success of their cannabis policy liberalisation: 'there is no evidence of adverse effect from the implementation of (proposition) 1-75'. [ http://saferdenver.saferchoice.org/seattle.png ] 'Cannabis consumers are family friendly, peace loving and productive members of society', says Mr Anderson, 'or at least would be, if given a fair go. The herb is not a crime. Period. Why are hundreds of millions of taxpayers dollars being squandered on this clearly counter-productive area of enforcement?' Mr Anderson notes the Prime Minister, Helen Clark has described cannabis prohibition as 'poor public policy' and was a supporter of partial prohibition as a harm minimisation initiative, but has chosen expediency over principle. The second time Mayoral candidate, who describes himself as an environmentalist and social ecologist, is working hard to overcome the unhealthy taboos and abuses of freedom and public good institutionalised in day-to-day New Zealand.
 
 
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Re: Crime stats 'business as usual' for prohibition beneficiaries

What fuckin' planet is this guy from?
 

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I would appreciate the removal of the above sexist image, we have to put up with a society saturated with images designed soley to make womyn feel uncomfortable about what they look like in an attempt to market one product or another, should we have to put up with it at indymedia?
 

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I whole heartedly agree, I would have expected better from this site which so often contains articles and view points which fly in the face of this type of advertising. There is no place for it in this or any society. As a member of the male gender this sort of representation of "Womyn" is pathetic and actually gives me the impression the originator of the billboard has such little faith in their message that they feel they have to exploit others to get their message across. Grow up and show a little respect.
 

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What a spanker....and as for the billboard, Grow up..... If the author is wanting to gain the votes and support of the "informed" minority, he has clearly shown from his choice in advertising that he is so far removed from the people, that one must consider who he represents.... What are his policies, More sexist demeaning billboards for Christchurch, No respect for females? Get lost and take your 1970's twisted attitude with you.....Oh and in case it matters to you....I'm a male who is married with a young daughter, who I am bringing up to be an confident woman who knows what she wants, where she's going and can recognise clown when she sees one. Oh yeah and probably doesn't fit into a box created by knobs like you, nor want to.. Can some one remove the above image. It is offensive
 

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I'd like to second the request that that photo be removed.

Grace
 

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im shocked and disappointed that this was posted on indymedia and agree with previous coments; im sick of being bombarded by sexism everwhere i look.
-Eliana
 

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the ed collective is discussing this. if you want to email the editorial collective: imc-aotearoa-ed(at)lists.indymedia.org

solidarity
 

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discussing actual freespeech? or how it is possible the picture is not really all that "sexist"? sounds like a very petty petty people on this site. Not to mention the amendment passed in Denver and Cannabis is totallly legal there now, no medical just plain legal, probably cuz they're not as uptigt as you all.
 

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Now you've hit the nail right on the head! Welcome to Socialism. I have said this times and times that the economy is based on social services, sustained by crime, illness, and diseases, etc.

We don't have an export market with the likes of Fonterra half owned by foreign investors, we don't have any booming industries in manufacturing, or so-called knowledge economy.

The only trouble is to find an alternative. Sports, Entertainment, and Culture are heading the right way; Wine, Food, and Organic farming could improve, and Education if the cowboys and privatisation could get their hands out of it.

It is sustainable, but you could imagine traditional conservatives' opjection to modern developments, they would rather give away SOEs to their own mates, and that's about it.

Helen Clark is not too bad accept when morality was thrown out the window by too much force as with the anti smacking bill. There is a subtle line between Socialism and brutal Socialist regime as is with Than Shwe of the Military Myanmar.

I'd say I'd vote for you if you had a pary...
©P2007
 

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The bigots and hypocrites have freely accepted the nudist bikes photos bombarded on this site without a single complaint, or McPherson advertising her underwears. Here's a colorful fashion on this piece of meat and yet have attracted attention... What krap!
 

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The Wellington Anarchist Men's collective discussed the issue at our meeting tonight. We think that the billboard picture should be removed, on the grounds that these kinds of images of women reinforce structural sexism.
 

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I posted on this here here - Maia
 

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So, to illustrate an article about New Zealand law, you use an image from a Colorado election that happened nearly a year ago? If that isn't gratuitous cheesecake I don't know what is.
 

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Just remove it. Why the need for a hui? Many women find it offensive plus us men who are trying to educate the dead heads that we live around that this sort of stuff is not longer exceptable in society let only on a web site such as this.

Thank goodness i dont vote. This is what u support when u vote. Voting is a clear sign u dont mind being controled. Be clear of that.
 

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you fucking ning nongs who dont vote,and let the same old 'old-school' politicans win again and again, even under MMP, for crissakes where genuine representation is genuinely possible..

Do you really think Labour and National are better than the Greens for example, or even the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis party- (a true anarchist bunch if ever I saw one)- more brains there than the rest of the other parties put together!
 

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Surely the offending image should be hidden while the "discussion" among the editorial collective continues? Haven't enough people indicated that they find it offensive? Get your act together, eds!
 

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The editorial policy (indymedia.org.nz/mod/info/display/policy/index.php), which is created by the wider Aotearoa Indymedia collective (not just the eds) at the Indy Convergences (every year or two) says that the post won't be hidden if any editor blocks consensus on it being hidden (which is currently the case).

The discussion between the ed collective continues, 22 emails and counting...

Genuine apologies from me to all that are finding this offensive,

Asher
One of the Aotearoa Indymedia Editorial Collective
 

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indymedia doesn't have policy to remove "offensive images". We have a policy to remove "sexist" material.

If all the vivisectors started complaining that images of animal cruelty were offensive, then should we hid those images...
 

Sexist image removed.

Hi all,

I have now removed an image from this post because it broke the editorial policy.

"Racist, sexist, homophobic and/or pornographic comments unrelated to or contributing no substantial value to the topic under discussion."

Under the policy, in order for it to be hidden, we needed to have consensus amongst the Aotearoa Indymedia Editorial Collective. We did not have this (and still do not).

However, thanks to one person on the Editorial List who trawled through minutes from prior Aotearoa Indymedia convergences, the following steps were found from the 2003 convergence that can be taken where consensus cannot be reached:

"Step One: Actively try and resolve it. Methods may include:
Calling for input from those not involved in the conflict"

I think we in the editorial collective have actively tried to resolve the disagreement, and have thus far been unable to. There has been a considerable amount of input from people outside of the editorial collective ("those involved in the conflict"), on the editorial collective email list, on this thread on AIMC and on the Capitalism Bad; Tree Pretty blog.

Therefore I think that moving to Step Two is justified.

"Step Two: As a last resort, use “consensus minus one.” This means that
when only one party objects to a decision and the procedures under Step One
have not resolved the conflict; the decision will be carried out anyway."

Therefore, I have now hidden the image, and appending a comment to the thread detailing why.

Thanks to all who have expressed their feelings on this issue, and sorry it took us so long to reach a conclusion.

Asher
One of the Aotearoa Indymedia Editorial Collective (writing for myself, not the whole collective)
 

Why I opposed hiding the image...

As the indymedia editor who opposed the image being hidden (for a number of reasons). I would like to thank all the people who contributed to the discussion, as it makes making decisions like the one re the billboard image a lot easier when you get input from lots of different viewpoints.
However I would ask that all you indyistas out there to ponder this:
What would happen if the same standard that was used by members of the editorial collective (at least two) to define what is a "sexist image" namely "it is reinforcing a specific hegemonic image for women's bodies" was applied to the following image?
Omar
One of the Aotearoa Indymedia Editorial Collective (writing for myself, not the whole collective)

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Re: Why I opposed hiding the image...

I hardly see your point. There's a lot worse witu that image - namely being used to bolster the American war machine during WWII, before dispensing with the majority of women in the workforce following the war.
 

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Omar - The image you posted is not a hegemonic image for women's bodies, because it is not a hegemonic image. Maybe in a different time and place it was, or could be, and using it would be problematic. But it's not so it's not.

An image of a woman in a bikini with advice on how to lose weight - that's a bit different.

Although my problem with that image was also that it presented the woman as an object for men to look at, as one of hundreds of images women see every day instructing them how to be a good object for men to look at.

I'd be fascinated by what argument you could possibly make that that image was not a sexist image.

Grace
 

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The removal of the 'Billboard" image represents one of the grossest and editorially offensive practices as it has been conveniently misconstrued by person and persons whose real agenda was not that they were offended by the art, but rather the message of hypocracy when 'attractive' women in atire like a bikini are highly tolerated when used (like it or not) with alcohol. It was not in breach of "Racist, sexist, homophobic and/or pornographic comments unrelated to or contributing no substantial value to the topic under discussion." when the theme of the social debate (again like it or not) was both 'tolerated' in another jurisdiction, namely Denver AND has specific relevance to obesity, violence against women and the unresolved cannabis debate in New Zealand. That the DENVER SAFER COMMUNITIES inspired image invoked this 'cautorisation' reflects badly on New Zealand, and New Zealanders.

As 'joint' author and poster I would be all happier on that basis that the editorial board removed the whole message as it is clearly too 'informative', thus dangerous for its sensitive readership.

It should be noted that the verification that the editorial board knows what is best for me, and others, there is no need to politics or dissent. We can hand the decision making for the nation over to said board and go home.

Given the "Anonymous" complainants, twits comes to mind, followed by pedantry. Although 'laughable' is the preferred response, one can only be left somewhat cynical as to the meaning of free press when some whining sycophant can convince an editorial board they were offended, yet sit and watch on invasive and public television media (yeah, your kids are watching it, dont beleive me, the stats prove otherwise) where as this is Indymed.. its 'personal' not public.

Doubtless I will find other places for future news releases and readership than this excuse for censorship.

Anyone curious about the offending image (that is saving lives and untold heartache) on my campaign website at blair4mayor.com she's featured at the 'bottom' of the page.

"Mayor Blair" Anderson
 

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"Doubtless I will find other places for future news releases and readership than this excuse for censorship" Great, it had the right effect then. Take you twisted sense of whats right with you!
 

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And your evidence you have ownership of 'what's right' is?.

65% of Denver City knew what was right. The numbers are on my side. Whereas your opinion rates right up there my opinion of the editorial board. However, you and yours have made both this image and the post associated with it significantly famous. And for that I thank you.
 

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So the depiction of someone in a bikini is sexist? erotocist perhaps... and good on it... censorship is the pits at the best of times... but for non reasons such as this... it is gross
there are real issues out there... this is not one of them.
Why don't you join the human race?

Brandon Hutchison
ChCh
 

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"reflects badly on New Zealand, and New Zealanders"

hardly, I'd say it does the opposite.
 

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hi could the editorial collective please remove all the anally retentitive discussion about the 'sexist' image, - the guy is a political hopeful trying to make a stir, and has a super sense of humour it seems. Aside from that his article on Police milking crime has a ring of truth about it. Every second person you run into in NZ is right into cannabis, and the police have a reputation for pocketing proceeds of their search. Weed is no worse than alcohol or tobacco so it is wrong to be treating it like it several orders of magnitude worse. Good Luck Blair you've cut thru the ugly conservatism in NZ and you deserve them golden chains!
 

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"""reflects badly on New Zealand, and New Zealanders"

hardly, I'd say it does the opposite."""

actually we are passing this censorship act around right now, see there is a lot of people here ( in USA) who wouldn't believe a nation of petty pea brains exists, let alone "New Zealanders", but rest assured, the banned dk and others are in fact watching and learning,spreading the word what horrible people you all really are. TGFA (thank God for Australia). New Zealand and New Zealanders suck.
 

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Hi anon,

I've hidden the other three copies of this comment - please try to only post each comment once!

The Aotearoa Indymedia editorial collective is mandated to enact the Editorial Policy (indymedia.org.nz/mod/info/display/policy/index.php) which is written and updated at Aotearoa Indymedia convergences by those present. There is nothing in the editorial policy that says we should hide the discussion, therefore it cannot be hidden.

Cheers,
Asher
one of the Aotearoa Indymedia editorial collective
 

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we're not all peabrains mate. but you really do have to wonder how far the pendumlum has swung amongst certain 'activist' types if they think a picture of a groovy and beautiful woman, promoting a safer healthier society, is offensive. Please 'objecting' kiwi anarchists and activists on this list, get over yourselves a little bit, its not a good look. The issue of cannabis/hemp liberation is a globally a lynchpin issue for turning around so much negativity and bullshit and corruption (and it just so happens hempseed is REAL good vegan food too!) Go Blair4Mayor!
 

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Grace- I concede the image "presented the woman as an object for men to look at". However it also presented the woman equally as an objectified image for other women to look at. That removes I feel the gender bias to the image.

I agree that images like the one in the billboard objectify women's bodies but I don't think that that is sexist as such. Men's bodies too are objectified.

omar
 

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Omar - Seriously?

You think that images of women in bikinis exist for men to look at in the same way they exist for women to look at?

You think men are objectified in the same way and with the same meaning as women?

You don't appear to have any understanding of gendered power dynamics. I think it would also be useful for you to think a little bit more about the gendered nature of bodies, and the power imbalances involved in that.
 

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In our patriarchal society, women are objectified and depicted in swimsuits etc. far more often than men. Why wasn't a picture of a man used and why don't we find that surprising?
 

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Because (a) it wouldn't have got this reaction and (b) the overtly twisted twerps who are over reacting have yet to see that there is an under tow here that not only exploits quite purposely 'the overt reaction' it is getting but even more subtly draw on exactly why this occurring to demonstrate that we are having the wrong conversation.

If the drug issue was 'fixed (or even in this context doubtless one could be left with the clear impression it is unfix-able...do these ning nongs WANT women drunk and hangover, violated and fat? )

There are some brains seriously disengaged, unable both to see the wood for the trees and unable to see past that which is deluding them.

This poster is as subtle as a brick.

Clever, Erudite and very appealing to those who have a powerful sense of injustice bigger than just the usual 'tits and bum' reactionaries. A double entendre that plays upon a society that considers it OK to treat women as available to any and all potentials for abuse 'with alcohol' by way of violence and even more subtly by way of diet... HENCE the absolute need to portray the human body (even somewhat beautifully) to counterpoint 'the ugliness of drunkenness, the 'deadly sin' of obesity, and unhealthiness of self afflicted poisoning'.

It is a veritable piece of true pop art fulfilling everything social responsibility demands of the form.

The Editorial cmte have lost the plot.

Restore the image and honor 'truth' in advertising.
 

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Seriously.

Your questions are quite obviously an attempt to provoke me into identifying the weedwomyn image as part of a greater structure of power relations. However by imposing a feminist reductionist model of power relations onto the weedwomyn image you automatically ascribe the weedwomyn as the victim of patriarchal relations.

I think there is a structural logic in capitalism that tries to colonise womens and mens bodies, no doubt about it. Images of women in bikinis are no doubt often a part of it. As are images of Daniel Carter in his underwear etc.

Of course I don't think men are objectified in the same way as women. Nor do I think non-white women are objectified in the same way as white women.

However your logic implies that the objectification of women is somehow separate and unique (and thus privileged) from other forms objectification that stems from capitalist social relations. I don't think the objectification of women's bodies is a more priviledged form of oppression than the objectification of men's bodies and thus is not sexist as such!

I don't think there are significantly more (numerically) images that objectify women than men in this society. Images of male bodies objectify them in vastly different ways. Rugby jerseys rather than swimsuits?

There is nothing in the indymedia editorial policy that mentions removing objectifying images (nor should there be!), and I disagree the image is sexist as it could equally have been a man in his speedos on the billboard being objectified.

Grace- There are also hundreds of images men see every day instructing them how to be a good object for women to look at!!!

For goodness sake female oppression under capitalism should not be privileged above other forms as you and many others appear to do. The use of a moralistic "I am offended" is not a valid argument for censorship. Why? Because Being Offended does not equal Being Oppressed.

I hate sexism as much as the next anarcho-feminist. However I don't think that the following equation is sexist:

"image of perfect body" = "imposes hegemonic ideal of perfect body" = "oppreses the viewer of that image as they try to live up to its ideal".

This equation oppresses all of us, men and women!

re: "the gendered nature of bodies, and the power imbalances involved in that", I don't see your point?
 

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Oh god, its embarrassing to be an anarchist, reading the calls for suppression of a relatively inoffensive image. Good grief, whip out all the high faluting arguments you like, this is free speech, but go lightly with your suppression impulses. The guy was making very valid point about crime stats, prohibition. Good luck to him.
 

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Omar, I'm sure that's not quite how you meant to put it...?

Surely this debate has been healthy? Not only oppressive things come of a bad picture then. But is suppression the best way of dealing with it? Audiences aren't stupid, even if pictures are.
 

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Omar - "Your questions are quite obviously an attempt to provoke me into identifying the weedwomyn image as part of a greater structure of power relations. However by imposing a feminist reductionist model of power relations onto the weedwomyn image you automatically ascribe the weedwomyn as the victim of patriarchal relations."

Yes, yes they were. I think our analysis of any image has to be made in the context of the power relations within society. I don't think that makes my analysis 'feminist reductionist' (and I don't think you could define what you thought was feminist reductionist about my analysis) and I'm not automatically doing anything (particularly because I don't even use the term 'patriarchy').

You need to learn more about sexism, misogyny and objectification and how they work in this society. I am not going to do all your work for you. The statements you are making are ridiculous, and contradictory.

For instance you say: "Of course I don't think men are objectified in the same way as women."

But spend a lot of the post arguing that they are and then a few paragraphs later:

"There are also hundreds of images men see every day instructing them how to be a good object for women to look at!!!"

The number of images instructing women how to be objects for men is larger than the number of images instructing men how to be objects for women by several orders of magnitude.

If men were objects for women as much as the other way round then true men would spend as much time modifying their bodies to be good objects as women do. Men would suffer from eating disorders at the same rate women do. Hetrosexual women would treat men as objects as much as hetrosexual men treat women as objects. Men would be as likely to be yelled at in the streets by women, as women are by men. Men would be as likely to be sexually assaulted by women as women are by men. Men would be as likely to be raped by women as women are by men.

These connections, this gendered differences in the way our bodies are treated, the gendered nature of sex in our society is really basic stuff.

"For goodness sake female oppression under capitalism should not be privileged above other forms as you and many others appear to do."

I am so furious that you would call yourself feminist and spout this stuff. You appear to be arguing that having a feminist analysis is privileging female oppression over other forms of oppression.
 

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This comment was from me. If that wasn't clear

Grace
 

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I've read Maia's page. She specifically links to the image that was removed to discuss how she feels about it. Someone please explain to me how this is somewhat ironic? Surely we aren't all children and we can discuss and debate these images without removing them? Maia, by linking to the very image, is directing people to see someone that she finds objectional (which I can understand) and want's removed from here! Obviously it can play a role in demostrating someons views against the object itself.
 

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Which makes its removal laughable.
 

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I'd still call you a feminist Omar. Anyone who does not agree with certain individuals, can still be considered a feminist.
I think it is a sexist image. Maybe the indymedia team could put something like a curtain over the top of the picture, and warn that there is objectionable image underneath. Explain why it is objectionable? This way it gives people a choice? I don't know at all if the technology allows people to do that. Maybe fuzzy over the top of the image?
Would be good to see more indymedia readers aware of cannabis crimes, namely Prohibition. Its one of the biggest class wars which doesn't just disempower you, it imprisons you as well. It is a huge underbelly in Aoteoroa.
 

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look, i'm the woman in that image. don't objectify me you pricks.
 

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Grace- To put it simply not everyone and certainly not all women agree with you that the image was sexist. There is a long historical tradition in the feminist movement that wants the liberation of human bodies and doesn't think that images of naked or near naked female (or for that matter male) bodies is inherently sexist. I stand in that tradition.

You and I can critique each others feminist analysis till the cows come home, arguing over who got it right but thats not the point.

The point is that I didn't think the image was sexist. Thus I saw no reason to hide it.

Omar
 

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feminist images and slogans inciting violence against all males, including Blair Anderson, are more concerning than 'no carbs'.
 

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Omar - I am reasonably aware of different traditions within feminism, and debates around bodies and sexuality. Your comments in this thread make it clear that you are not. You have continued this ignorant mischaracterisation with your implication that there is a tradition within feminism that thinks that images of near naked women are inherently sexist. No such tradition exists (there may be individual feminists who think, or have argued that, but the feminist debate has always been about the meaning of certain sorts of images in this society - very few images are inherently anything taken out of the historical, political and social context).
 

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That was also me

Grace
 

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> very few images are inherently anything taken out of the historical, political and social context.

Grace, your critique (and others on this forum) are misguided in the extreme. It seems your addicted to the conversation and like addicts, you have become the victim of your own delusions. Not everyone agrees with you and others that this was a 'sexist' image AND even if it was, it was correctly used in the context of the issue at hand. Would you (and others) rather stymie informed and legitimate debate that affects women in so many ways or 'get your own way' at the cost of that debate.

I am on the side of the Mayoral Candidate who posted the 'image' ALL the more so because there has been NO debate surrounding WHY he posted 'in context' INFORMING ME EVIDENTIALLY of where in all likelyhood 65% of women supported the Denver initiative he raised.

How can you obsfucate this with a tenuous argument that by any popular cultural standard (despite your personal view) was neither overtly sexual, or demeaning. I saw it as a health message to me, about me, and how I can be safer in my community. Whereas your comments by shutting down legitimate even if 'contrarian views' seems to me to say, alcohol is more than OK, that violence to women is OK, that obesity is OK and that my [path to] wellness is a matter for your concience and not mine.

Well, Bah Humbug.

Your part of the problem and no part of the solution. And that applies to all you other wowsers... go stand outside a late-night bar, and reaffirm your first principles. The status quo, on drug policy is dangerous to my health and to that of my sisters. Your bleating on discourages good men from taking a position. For that I am greatful to the guy, he is sticking his head above the parapit 'in my interest', and despite your obsfutory protestations IMHO 'yours as well'.

I'm forwarding the healthy image and his 'informed' links to everyone I know. Whereas your 'sick' perjorative and hateful diatribe is now file'd under 'F" for forget.

We need more Good Men like Blair. Could we be so lucky.
/Natalie
 

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> very few images are inherently anything taken out of the historical, political and social context.

Grace, your critique (and others on this forum) are misguided in the extreme. It seems your addicted to the conversation and like addicts, you have become the victim of your own delusions. Not everyone agrees with you and others that this was a 'sexist' image AND even if it was, it was correctly used in the context of the issue at hand. Would you (and others) rather stymie informed and legitimate debate that affects women in so many ways or 'get your own way' at the cost of that debate.

I am on the side of the Mayoral Candidate who posted the 'image' ALL the more so because there has been NO debate surrounding WHY he posted 'in context' INFORMING ME EVIDENTIALLY of where in all likelyhood 65% of women supported the Denver initiative he raised.

How can you obsfucate this with a tenuous argument that by any popular cultural standard (despite your personal view) was neither overtly sexual, or demeaning. I saw it as a health message to me, about me, and how I can be safer in my community. Whereas your comments by shutting down legitimate even if 'contrarian views' seems to me to say, alcohol is more than OK, that violence to women is OK, that obesity is OK and that my [path to] wellness is a matter for your concience and not mine.

Well, Bah Humbug.

Your part of the problem and no part of the solution. And that applies to all you other wowsers... go stand outside a late-night bar, and reaffirm your first principles. The status quo, on drug policy is dangerous to my health and to that of my sisters. Your bleating on discourages good men from taking a position. For that I am greatful to the guy, he is sticking his head above the parapit 'in my interest', and despite your obsfutory protestations IMHO 'yours as well'.

I'm forwarding the healthy image and his 'informed' links to everyone I know. Whereas your 'sick' perjorative and hateful diatribe is now file'd under 'F" for forget.

We need more Good Men like Blair. Could we be so lucky.
/Natalie
 

Re: Crime stats 'business as usual' for prohibition beneficiaries

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