Sobering interview of an ex-vaccine researcher who has become a whistle-blower on the vaccine industry
>Subject: MUST READ: Sobering interview of an ex-vaccine researcher
>who has become a whistle-blower on the vaccine industry
>"Q: What about the combined destructive power of a number of
>vaccines given to babies these days?
>A: It is a travesty and a crime. ....the truth is, vaccines are not
>safe. Therefore the potential damage increases when you give many
>of them in a short time period."
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>....If I had a child now, the last thing I would allow is
>vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would
>change the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm
>not saying it would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the
>system with grace, if you know how to act. There are exemptions you
>can declare, in every state, based on religious and/or philosophic
>views. But if push came to shove, I would go on the move."
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>Jon Rappoport Q: You were once certain that vaccines were the
>hallmark of good medicine.
>Dr. Mark Randall A: Yes I was. I helped develop a few vaccines. I
>won't say which ones.
>Q: Why not?
>A: I want to preserve my privacy.
>Q: So you think you could have problems if you came out into the open?
>A: I believe I could lose my pension.
>Q: On what grounds?
>A: The grounds don't matter. These people have ways of causing you
>problems, when you were once part of the Club. I know one or two
>people who were put under surveillance, who were harassed.
>Q: Harassed by whom?
>A: The FBI.
>Q: Really?
>A: Sure. The FBI used other pretexts. And the IRS can come calling too.
>Q: So much for free speech.
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>A: I was "part of the inner circle." If now I began to name names
>and make specific accusations against researchers, I could be in a
>world of trouble.
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>Q: What is at the bottom of these efforts at harassment?
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>A: Vaccines are the last defense of modern medicine. Vaccines are
>the ultimate justification for the overall "brilliance" of modern medicine.
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>Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose whether
>they should get vaccines?
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>A: On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need
>information, so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say
>choice is good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you
>choose? Also, if the FDA were run by honorable people, these
>vaccines would not be granted licenses. They would be investigated
>to within an inch of their lives.
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>Q: There are medical historians who state that the overall decline
>of illnesses was not due to vaccines.
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>A: I know. For a long time, I ignored their work.
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>Q: Why?
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>A: Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the
>business of developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on
>continuing that work.
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>Q: And then?
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>A: I did my own investigation.
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>Q: What conclusions did you come to?
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>A: The decline of disease is due to improved living conditions.
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>Q: What conditions?
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>A: Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. Fresher
>food. A decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere, but when you
>are healthy, you don't contract the diseases as easily.
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>Q: What did you feel when you completed your own investigation?
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>A: Despair. I realized I was working a sector based on a collection of lies.
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>Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?
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>A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a
>vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As
>far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.
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>Q: Why?
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>A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a
>process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause
>the disease they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other
>diseases than the ones they are supposed to prevent.
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>Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines
>have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?
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>A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a
>vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles,
>everyone assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the
>surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it
>causes other diseases say, meningitis that fact is masked,
>because no one believes that the vaccine can do that. The
>connection is overlooked.
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>Q: It is said that the smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England.
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>A: Yes. But when you study the available statistics, you get another picture.
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>Q: Which is?
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>A: There were cities in England where people who were not vaccinated
>did not get smallpox. There were places where people who were
>vaccinated experienced smallpox epidemics. And smallpox was already
>on the decline before the vaccine was introduced.
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>Q: So you're saying that we have been treated to a false history.
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>A: Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that has
>been cooked up to convince people that vaccines are invariably safe
>and effective.
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>Q: Now, you worked in labs. Where purity was an issue.
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>A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing
>facilities are the cleanest places in the world. That is not
>true. Contamination occurs all the time. You get all sorts of
>debris introduced into vaccines.
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>Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine.
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>A: Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40
>got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using
>monkey kidneys. But I'm talking about something else. The actual
>lab conditions. The mistakes. The careless errors. SV40, which
>was later found in cancer tumors that was what I would call a
>structural problem. It was an accepted part of the manufacturing
>process. If you use monkey kidneys, you open the door to germs
>which you don't know are in those kidneys.
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>Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types
>of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in
>your many years of work with vaccines?
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>A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll
>also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial
>list. In the Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken
>viruses. In polio vaccine, we found acanthamoeba, which is a
>so-called "brain-eating" amoeba.
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>Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the
>rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various
>micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially
>dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog, and
>rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the
>flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine.
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>Q: Let me get this straight. These are all contaminants which don't
>belong in the vaccines.
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>A: That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these
>contaminants can cause, well, we don't really know, because no
>testing has been done, or very little testing. It's a game of
>roulette. You take your chances. Also, most people don't know that
>some polio vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, rubella and hep A and
>measles vaccines have been made with aborted human fetal tissue. I
>have found what I believed were bacterial fragments and poliovirus
>in these vaccines from time to time which may have come from that
>fetal tissue. When you look for contaminants in vaccines, you can
>come up with material that IS puzzling. You know it shouldn't be
>there, but you don't know exactly what you've got. I have found
>what I believed was a very small "fragment" of human hair and also
>human mucus. I have found what can only be called "foreign protein,"
>which could mean almost anything. It could mean protein from viruses.
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>Q: Alarm bells are ringing all over the place.
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>A: How do you think I felt? Remember, this material is going into
>the bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune defenses.
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>Q: How were your findings received?
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>A: Basically, it was, don't worry, this can't be helped. In making
>vaccines, you use various animals' tissue, and that's where this
>kind of contamination enters in. Of course, I'm not even mentioning
>the standard chemicals like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum
>which are purposely put into vaccines.
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>Q: This information is pretty staggering.
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>A: Yes. And I'm just mentioning some of the biological
>contaminants. Who knows how many others there are? Others we don't
>find because we don't think to look for them. If tissue from, say,
>a bird is used to make a vaccine, how many possible germs can be in
>that tissue? We have no idea. We have no idea what they might be,
>or what effects they could have on humans.
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>Q: And beyond the purity issue?
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>A: You are dealing with the basic faulty premise about
>vaccines. That they intricately stimulate the immune system to
>create the conditions for immunity from disease. That is the bad
>premise. It doesn't work that way. A vaccine is supposed to
>"create" antibodies which, indirectly, offer protection against
>disease. However, the immune system is much larger and more
>involved than antibodies and their related "killer cells."
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>Q: The immune system is?
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>A: The entire body, really. Plus the mind. It's all immune system,
>you might say. That is why you can have, in the middle of an
>epidemic, those individuals who remain healthy.
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>Q: So the level of general health is important.
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>A: More than important. Vital.
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>Q: How are vaccine statistics falsely presented?
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>A: There are many ways. For example, suppose that 25 people who
>have received the hepatitis B vaccine come down with
>hepatitis. Well, hep B is a liver disease. But you can call liver
>disease many things. You can change the diagnosis. Then, you've
>concealed the root cause of the problem.
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>Q: And that happens?
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>A: All the time. It HAS to happen, if the doctors automatically
>assume that people who get vaccines DO NOT come down with the
>diseases they are now supposed to be protected from. And that is
>exactly what doctors assume. You see, it's circular
>reasoning. It's a closed system. It admits no fault. No possible
>fault. If a person who gets a vaccine against hepatitis gets
>hepatitis, or gets some other disease, the automatic assumption is,
>this had nothing to do with the vaccine.
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>Q: In your years working in the vaccine establishment, how many
>doctors did you encounter who admitted that vaccines were a problem?
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>A: None. There were a few who privately questioned what they were
>doing. But they would never go public, even within their companies.
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>Q: What was the turning point for you?
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>A: I had a friend whose baby died after a DPT shot.
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>Q: Did you investigate?
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>A: Yes, informally. I found that this baby was completely healthy
>before the vaccination. There was no reason for his death, except
>the vaccine. That started my doubts. Of course, I wanted to
>believe that the baby had gotten a bad shot from a bad lot. But as
>I looked into this further, I found that was not the case in this
>instance. I was being drawn into a spiral of doubt that increased
>over time. I continued to investigate. I found that, contrary to
>what I thought, vaccines are not tested in a scientific way.
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>Q: What do you mean?
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>A: For example, no long-term studies are done on any
>vaccines. Long-term follow-up is not done in any careful
>way. Why? Because, again, the assumption is made that vaccines do
>not cause problems. So why should anyone check? On top of that, a
>vaccine reaction is defined so that all bad reactions are said to
>occur very soon after the shot is given. But that does not make sense.
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>Q: Why doesn't it make sense?
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>A: Because the vaccine obviously acts in the body for a long period
>of time after it is given. A reaction can be
>gradual. Deterioration can be gradual. Neurological problems can
>develop over time. They do in various conditions, even according to
>a conventional analysis. So why couldn't that be the case with
>vaccines? If chemical poisoning can occur gradually, why couldn't
>that be the case with a vaccine which contains mercury?
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>Q: And that is what you found?
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>A: Yes. You are dealing with correlations, most of the
>time. Correlations are not perfect. But if you get 500 parents
>whose children have suffered neurological damage during a one-year
>period after having a vaccine, this should be sufficient to spark
>off an intense investigation.
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>Q: Has it been enough?
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>A: No. Never. This tells you something right away.
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>Q: Which is?
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>A: The people doing the investigation are not really interested in
>looking at the facts. They assume that the vaccines are safe. So,
>when they do investigate, they invariably come up with exonerations
>of the vaccines. They say, "This vaccine is safe." But what do
>they base those judgments on? They base them on definitions and
>ideas which automatically rule out a condemnation of the vaccine.
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>Q: There are numerous cases where a vaccine campaign has
>failed. Where people have come down with the disease against which
>they were vaccinated.
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>A: Yes, there are many such instances. And there the evidence is
>simply ignored. It's discounted. The experts say, if they say
>anything at all, that this is just an isolated situation, but
>overall the vaccine has been shown to be safe. But if you add up
>all the vaccine campaigns where damage and disease have occurred,
>you realize that these are NOT isolated situations.
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>Q: Did you ever discuss what we are talking about here with
>colleagues, when you were still working in the vaccine establishment?
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>A: Yes I did.
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>Q: What happened?
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>A: Several times I was told to keep quiet. It was made clear that I
>should go back to work and forget my misgivings. On a few
>occasions, I encountered fear. Colleagues tried to avoid me. They
>felt they could be labeled with "guilt by association". All in all,
>though, I behaved myself. I made sure I didn't create problems for myself.
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>Q: If vaccines actually do harm, why are they given?
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>A: First of all, there is no "if". They do harm. It becomes a more
>difficult question to decide whether they do harm in those people
>who seem to show no harm. Then you are dealing with the kind of
>research which should be done, but isn't. Researchers should be
>probing to discover a kind of map, or flow chart, which shows
>exactly what vaccines do in the body from the moment they
>enter. This research has not been done. As to why they are given,
>we could sit here for two days and discuss all the reasons. As
>you've said many times, at different layers of the system people
>have their motives. Money, fear of losing a job, the desire to win
>brownie points, prestige, awards, promotion, misguided idealism,
>unthinking habit, and so on. But, at the highest levels of the
>medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a
>weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept,
>but it's true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out
>to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill
>them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a
>man who occupied a high government position in an African
>nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that
>WHO is a front for these depopulation interests. There is an
>underground, shall we say, in Africa, made up of various officials
>who are earnestly trying to change the lot of the poor. This network
>of people knows what is going on. They know that vaccines have been
>used, and are being used, to destroy their countries, to make them
>ripe for takeover by globalist powers I have had the opportunity to
>speak with several of these people from this network.
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>Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, aware of the situation?
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>A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not utterly
>convinced, but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth. He
>already knows that HIV is a hoax. He knows that the AIDS drugs are
>poisons which destroy the immune system. He also knows that if he
>speaks out, in any way, about the vaccine issue, he will be branded
>a lunatic. He has enough trouble after his stand on the AIDS issue.
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>Q: This network you speak of.
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>A: It has accumulated a huge amount of information about
>vaccines. The question is, how is a successful strategy going to be
>mounted? For these people, that is a difficult issue.
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>Q: And in the industrialized nations?
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>A: The medical cartel has a stranglehold, but it is
>diminishing. Mainly because people have the freedom to question
>medicines. However, if the choice issue [the right to take or
>reject any medicine] does not gather steam, these coming mandates
>about vaccines against biowarefare germs are going to win out. This
>is an important time.
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>Q: The furor over the hepatits B vaccine seems one good avenue.
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>A: I think so, yes. To say that babies must have the vaccine-and
>then in the next breath, admitting that a person gets hep B from
>sexual contacts and shared needles is a ridiculous juxtaposition.
>Medical authorities try to cover themselves by saying that 20,000 or
>so children in the US get hep B every year from "unknown causes,"
>and that's why every baby must have the vaccine. I dispute that
>20,000 figure and the so-called studies that back it up.
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>Q: Andrew Wakefield, the British MD who uncovered the link between
>the MMR vaccine and autism, has just been fired from his job in a
>London hospital.
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>A: Yes. Wakefield performed a great service. His correlations
>between the vaccine and autism are stunning. Perhaps you know that
>Tony Blair's wife is involved with alternative health. There is the
>possibility that their child has not been given the MMR. Blair
>recently side-stepped the question in press interviews, and made it
>seem that he was simply objecting to invasive questioning of his
>"personal and family life." In any event, I believe his wife has
>been muzzled. I think, if given the chance, she would at least say
>she is sympathetic to all the families who have come forward and
>stated that their children were severely damaged by the MMR.
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>Q: British reporters should try to get through to her.
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>A: They have been trying. But I think she has made a deal with her
>husband to keep quiet, no matter what. She could do a great deal of
>good if she breaks her promise. I have been told she is under
>pressure, and not just from her husband. At the level she occupies,
>MI6 and British health authorities get into the act. It is thought
>of as a matter of national security.
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>Q: Well, it is national security, once you understand the medical cartel.
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>A: It is global security. The cartel operates in every nation. It
>zealously guards the sanctity of vaccines. Questioning these
>vaccines is on the same level as a Vatican bishop questioning the
>sanctity of the sacrament of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.
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>Q: I know that a Hollywood celebrity stating publicly that he will
>not take a vaccine is committing career suicide.
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>A: Hollywood is linked very powerfully to the medical cartel. There
>are several reasons, but one of them is simply that an actor who is
>famous can draw a huge amount of publicity if he says ANYTHING. In
>1992, I was present at your demonstration against the FDA in
>downtown Los Angeles. One or two actors spoke against the
>FDA. Since that time, you would be hard pressed to find an actor
>who has spoken out in any way against the medical cartel.
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>Q: Within the National Institutes of Health, what is the mood, what
>is the basic frame of mind?
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>A: People are competing for research monies. The last thing they
>think about is challenging the status quo. They are already in an
>intramural war for that money. They don't need more trouble. This
>is a very insulated system. It depends on the idea that, by and
>large, modern medicine is very successful on every frontier. To
>admit systemic problems in any area is to cast doubt on the whole
>enterprise. You might therefore think that NIH is the last place
>one should think about holding demonstrations. But just the reverse
>is true. If five thousand people showed up there demanding an
>accounting of the actual benefits of that research system, demanding
>to know what real health benefits have been conferred on the public
>from the billions of wasted dollars funneled to that facility,
>something might start. A spark might go off. You might get, with
>further demonstrations, all sorts of fall-out. Researchers a few
> might start leaking information.
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>Q: A good idea.
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>A: People in suits standing as close to the buildings as the police
>will allow. People in business suits, in jogging suits, mothers and
>babies. Well-off people. Poor people. All sorts of people.
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>Q: What about the combined destructive power of a number of vaccines
>given to babies these days?
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>A: It is a travesty and a crime. There are no real studies of any
>depth which have been done on that. Again, the assumption is made
>that vaccines are safe, and therefore any number of vaccines given
>together are safe as well. But the truth is, vaccines are not
>safe. Therefore the potential damage increases when you give many
>of them in a short time period.
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>Q: Then we have the fall flu season.
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>A: Yes. As if only in the autumn do these germs float in to the US
>from Asia. The public swallows that premise. If it happens in
>April, it is a bad cold. If it happens in October, it is the flu.
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>Q: Do you regret having worked all those years in the vaccine field?
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>A: Yes. But after this interview, I'll regret it a little
>less. And I work in other ways. I give out information to certain
>people, when I think they will use it well.
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>Q: What is one thing you want the public to understand?
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>A: That the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy
>of vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for
>public use. Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or
>me. And for proof you need well-designed long-term studies. You
>need extensive follow-up. You need to interview mothers and pay
>attention to what mothers say about their babies and what happens to
>them after vaccination. You need all these things. The things that
>are not there.
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>Q: The things that are not there.
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>Q: To avoid any confusion, I'd like you to review, once more, the
>disease problems that vaccines can cause. Which diseases, how that happens.
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>A: We are basically talking about two potential harmful
>outcomes. One, the person gets the disease from the vaccine. He
>gets the disease which the vaccine is supposed to protect him
>from. Because, some version of the disease is in the vaccine to
>begin with. Or two, he doesn't get THAT disease, but at some later
>time, maybe right away, maybe not, he develops another condition
>which is caused by the vaccine. That condition could be autism,
>what's called autism, or it could be some other disease like
>meningitis. He could become mentally disabled.
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>Q: Is there any way to compare the relative frequency of these
>different outcomes?
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>A: No. Because the follow-up is poor. We can only guess. If you
>ask, out of a population of a hundred thousand children who get a
>measles vaccine, how many get the measles, and how many develop
>other problems from the vaccine, there is a no reliable
>answer. That is what I'm saying. Vaccines are superstitions. And
>with superstitions, you don't get facts you can use. You only get
>stories, most of which are designed to enforce the
>superstition. But, from many vaccine campaigns, we can piece
>together a narrative that does reveal some very disturbing
>things. People have been harmed. The harm is real, and it can be
>deep and it can mean death. The harm is NOT limited to a few cases,
>as we have been led to believe. In the US, there are groups of
>mothers who are testifying about autism and childhood
>vaccines. They are coming forward and standing up at
>meetings. They are essentially trying to fill in the gap that has
>been created by the researchers and doctors who turn their backs on
>the whole thing.
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>Q: Let me ask you this. If you took a child in, say, Boston and you
>raised that child with good nutritious food and he exercised every
>day and he was loved by his parents, and he didn't get the measles
>vaccine, what would be his health status compared with the average
>child in Boston who eats poorly and watches five hours of TV a day
>and gets the measles vaccine?
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>A: Of course there are many factors involved, but I would bet on the
>better health status for the first child. If he gets measles, if he
>gets it when he is nine, the chances are it will be much lighter
>than the measles the second child might get. I would bet on the
>first child every time.
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>Q: How long did you work with vaccines?
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>A: A long time. Longer than ten years.
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>Q: Looking back now, can you recall any good reason to say that
>vaccines are successful?
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>A: No, I can't. If I had a child now, the last thing I would allow
>is vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would
>change the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm
>not saying it would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the
>system with grace, if you know how to act. There are exemptions you
>can declare, in every state, based on religious and/or philosophic
>views. But if push came to shove, I would go on the move.
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>Q: And yet there are children everywhere who do get vaccines and
>appear to be healthy.
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>A: The operative word is "appear". What about all the children who
>can't focus on their studies? What about the children who have
>tantrums from time to time? What about the children who are not
>quite in possession of all their mental faculties? I know there are
>many causes for these things, but vaccines are one cause. I would
>not take the chance. I see no reason to take the chance. And
>frankly, I see no reason to allow the government to have the last
>word. Government medicine is, from my experience, often a
>contradiction in terms. You get one or the other, but not both.
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>Q: So we come to the level playing field.
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>A: Yes. Allow those who want the vaccines to take them. Allow the
>dissidents to decline to take them. But, as I said earlier, there
>is no level playing field if the field is strewn with lies. And
>when babies are involved, you have parents making all the
>decisions. Those parents need a heavy dose of truth. What about
>the child I spoke of who died from the DPT shot? What information
>did his parents act on? I can tell you it was heavily weighted. It
>was not real information.
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>Q: Medical PR people, in concert with the press, scare the hell out
>of parents with dire scenarios about what will happen if their kids
>don't get shots.
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>A: They make it seem a crime to refuse the vaccine. They equate it
>with bad parenting. You fight that with better information. It is
>always a challenge to buck the authorities. And only you can decide
>whether to do it. It is every person's responsibility to make up
>his mind. The medical cartel likes that bet. It is betting that
>the fear will win.
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>Dr. Mark Randall is the pseudonym of a vaccine researcher who worked
>for many years in the labs of major pharmaceutical houses and the US
>government's National Institutes of Health.
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>Mark retired during the last decade. He says he was "disgusted with
>what he discovered about vaccines."
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>Page 10 Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher
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>As you know, since the beginning of nomorefakenews, I have been
>launching an attack against non-scientific and dangerous assertions
>about the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
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>Mark has been one of my sources.
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>He is a little reluctant to speak out, even under the cover of
>anonymity, but with the current push to make vaccines mandatory
>with penalties like quarantine lurking in the wings he has decided
>to break his silence.
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>He lives comfortably in retirement, but like many of my long-time
>sources, he has developed a conscience about his former work. Mark
>is well aware of the scope of the medical cartel and its goals of
>depopulation, mind control, and general debilitation of populations.
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>http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html
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Comments
Re: Sobering interview of an ex-vaccine researcher
The next thing on the agenda is the teaching of Holocaust mythology in primary schools and of course all of the repressive laws that follow on from that .. Also ask yourselves what is behind the Femminazi push about domestic violence .. the statitics show that domestic violence is both a female and male thing .. and when it comes to bestiality the women take the lead .. deranged women killing and cutting babies out of the dead womans womb ..
The vaccines are just one chain in a great pile of slave owners chains.
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Robbie D
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And there seems to have been a campaign of misinformation, to put it politely, over the Meningitis data in the recent campaign.
That said, hepatitis C is extremely contagious, no matter how healthy anyone is. I would consider taking a hepC vaccine. It also seems clear that the comment in the article about HIV/AIDS medications is coming from a very strange place, because everyone in NZ who used to show the symptoms of AIDS before the current medication cocktails were developed seems to have died, but far fewer afterwards. In fact, the complacency due to this seems partly behind the local rise in HIV transmission over the last 6 years.
There clearly is a 'medical club' because medicine is a profession, and a profession is just that, a club that claims a monopoly over a certain specified type of expertise. But of course medicine, especially pharmaceuticals, are also drugs where enormous profits can be made whether on the licit, illicit, or 'grey' market. Doctors are clearly accomplices, even though many strongly object to unethical pharmaceutical practices. Similar ethical struggles over the control of medications within medicine happened about a century ago. The conventional history, which I don't take a position on, is that the professional interests won out over the commercial interests. But perhaps what happened was more of a merger.
Regardless, sometimes history is very cyclical. The cracks in a system can be patched over, but if the crack is at the core, then so long as the institutional system continues to exist, the patch will fail in time, leading to a cyclical pattern in history as crises in the same area re-emerge, though with no guarantee of which side will win in any particular era.
More to the point here and now, public health is distinctly different from personal health. Personal health involves a relationship between expert and lay knowledge, and therefore between two distinct forces that accompany knowledge and produce power inequalities. Its often called the 'doctor-patient relationship'. Its core condition is that people become patients because they want medical care and cant get it any other way than through the profession of doctoring. This results in doctors coming to own and represent 'their' patients.
By contrast, in public health, at most times short of a raging epidemic nobody is particularly concerned about future risks of ill-health, and so there is no hold over the behavior of people and they cant be made to turn themselves into patients. Instead, public health care, as in population health, environment health, lifestyle health, etc must be based upon education (unwanted) and enforcement of regulations (can appeal to masochists and cryptofascists). Both cost $$$ and taxpayers dont consider future public health such a priority as personal, here and now health.
Thats why deep public health will either involve social engineering of public morality, or legal pressures, enforced by officials to comply with programmes and planning, such as in vaccination campaigns. Doctors are caught between an inculcated loyalty to their club and to modern medicine in which they are the experts, and to a desire to retain the trust of patients, who are their other source of power.
Yet in my opinion, its very useful to distinguish between the role of doctors as private practitioners and professionals, and the role of public health officials, who represent state hierarchy, and the role of pharmaceutical industries, which represent the market. None of these roles is adequately accountable, but in distinctly different ways, and of them all, I think the doctors are the least unaccountable. Its when they drift into becoming officials, as when they form narrow departments in hierarchal institutions that focus more on research than directly responding to patient needs, that they become as untrustworthy as officials and market corporations. The 'unfortunate experiment' by Dr Green at National Womans' Hospital seems a good example of this problem.
I guess what I'm concluding is that the original article is too erratic to persuade me, but is certainly right about abuses of scientific method in many instances of research. However, I don't think a viable alternative is presented.
I see the articles point about focusing on the technology of vaccination. But since the underlying problem is that of trust being abused, it seems to me that the wider context of trust and abused trust needs to be brought in. For me, this means an anlysis of the relations between different social groups, in this case occupational groups. The article does this to an extent, but it is too simplistic, bacuse all the skills and ethics of medicine are tarred with the same broad brush.
Doctors may be naive and somewhat self-interested much of the time, but most, in my experience, genuinely want to do the right thing. And where else can we get trained high tech medical care (assuming we want this)?
Providing there are sufficient support groups and critical scientists about to provide alternative accounts, I'd take a very cautious but even-handed approach to vaccination. Natural vaccination, as with smallpox and chickenpox parties, hgas been around and valued for far longer than modern medicine and the pharmcorps.
cheers
be healthy
Steve L
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the true fear tactics of a sales rep.
there is No vaccine for malaria, but lot$$ of $$ in bull$hitting people!!
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A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not utterly convinced, but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth. He already knows that HIV is a hoax. He knows that "the AIDS drugs are poisons which destroy the immune system. He also knows that if he speaks out, in any way, about the vaccine issue, he will be branded a lunatic. He has enough trouble after his stand on the AIDS issue."
So tens of millions haven't died from AIDS since 1980 and third world countries crying out for the drugs which keep western AIDS sufferers living for 20 years or more are deluded?
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It would be good if you could meet Len sometime or at least talk on the phone. I just left messages for him on both his phone numbers asking him to call me. He is on the move constantly on the lecture circuit world wide and might have ideas to help you get your story made into a book or movie.
Len is the author of a number of noteworthy books that you should be aware of and I've known him for many years due to his activism within the health freedom movement.
Len was a dentist, but became aware of the true origins of AIDS (that it was intentionally created and deployed as a bioweapon) and he wrote a good book to expose it titled AIDS & EBOLA: Nature, Accident or Intentional? www.healthyworldstore.com/index.php
I've read this book, and its very well researched. You can get a used copy from Amazon at www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0923550127/ref=pd_bbs_sr_olp_1 for $9. If you want me to order you a copy and have it shipped to you give me an address.
He's written a lot of other similar books including Death Is In the Air - Globalism- Terrorism & Toxic Warfare www.healthyworldstore.com/index.php
He wrote a book documenting the insanity of vaccines and why no one should use them. Here is the website for his publishing company www.tetrahedron.org/
John
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(And what the fuck is the first commentor on? Women take the lead in bestiality? More nonsense from the mouth of ignorant man.)
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Ignorance at its best,, only from a kiwi!! mmmmm, Hep C is NOT an STD, my wife of 7 years can verify there is NO risk. maybe a razor or toothbrush, but not sex,,, speaking of Hep C,, didn't that dirty lowlife Prime Minister infect over 700 families with Hep C and your super spineless pigs refused to arrest the bitch??
needle happy neo cons have decades of mis information well ingrained in a sucker society.
wanna die slowly from undectectable causes? roll up your sleeve or drop your drawers.
the truth is, vaccination causes more diseases than prevented,, not to mention the AIDS/ SV40 (polio vaccine) connection now coming to light.
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If you take it into your own hands and look into it there is no way you would vaccinate your children.
Take responsibility for yourself, you cannot trust the medical professionals as one put it because medical professionals are motivated by money from large corporate drug companies.
Like most other things in today's society fear is used to manipulate public opinion, and true to form people suck it up and the population becomes the source of the propoganda against the free thinkers and dissidents.
The more I hear about the Mens B vaccine in the media the more it backs up the argument. The only other country in the world to use this untested vaccine has officially apologised to its population for allowing it because of the far reaching bad affects it has had in the long term........Now we hear on TV3 that the vaccine only lasts a year! YEAH RIGHT! More like they need an excuse for all of the vaccinated children getting the disease.
Michael Walker.
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'Hepatitis C virus. RNA flavivirus. Spread: Blood, IV drug abuse, sexual, unknown (40%).' [Oxford Handbook of Clinical Medicine 6th edn.]
Better let your wife know, dk.
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Re: Sobering interview of an ex-vaccine researcher
unlike swimming or surfing in the river mouth at Tairua Paunui, where the sewerage overflows, unknown to the tourist, infects the dinner table(ocean) with kiwiness. god bless the nazis who soaked your crap diet & country in Dioxin for 50 years, you people deserve it.
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Robbie
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Robbie""""""
robbie, your name should be booby. did it, could it, ever occur to you incredibly ignorant fuckheads my wife objected to condoms and was the one who investigated Hep C enough to make her own decisions? every time I beat or injure or embarrass a piece of trash from New Zealand I feel so much better,, many yanks are now realizing there is another, even lower life form on earth than americans, new zealanders.